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This is a ridiculous farce and it's going to end up destroying all three phone OS manufacturers and dealing massive damage to the entire mobile technology space

This is a ridiculous farce and it's going to end up destroying all three phone OS manufacturers and dealing massive damage to the entire mobile technology space, especially to smaller developers and possible innovators. Everyone knew if the patents came out it was a MAD situation but I guess someone thought they could win. Edit: Changed the wording on the first sentence. Good points from replies about it really being smaller innovators getting caught in the crossfire.

ForrestN 14y ago
Can you say more about how this will happen? Do you really think the aftermath of this lawsuit will destroy Apple and Google? Who will take over their massive markets?
Marcan 14y ago
The phone manufacturers will be fine. There won't really be any massive damage to their revenue, the only party that will be hurt in the long run is the consumer.
- mladenkovacevic 14y ago
  I think you might be right. Here's my short rant on the issue. https://plus.google.com/u/0/110745064115147792537/posts/14WNL2vAVSW https://plus.google.com/u/0/110745064115147792537/posts/14WN...
  - vvhn 14y ago
    Could you post a link which does not need a google login to read ? I tried this on Chrome's Incognito mode window as well. <Google Plus rant> I hope it's not the usual "Apple is evil, it's products' users are stupid" and (in slightly smaller numbers ) "Facebook is evil, Google Plus is awesome" drivel (and the circlejerk in the comments) </Google Plus rant>
- slantyyz 14y ago
  >> the only party that will be hurt in the long run is the consumer. Even this remains to be seen. I don't think vanilla Android is going to be affected very much. There might be a chilling effect on anyone trying to re-skin Android as an iPhone wannabe, but that's probably a good thing. I'm an iPhone user who thinks that some of Samsung's older models were blatantly trying to knock off the iPhone, but on the whole, I don't think that Android itself does, especially with the more recent releases of the OS. Samsung just got a deserved spanking for some past bad behaviour, but even they have moved past the "aping" phase and have been producing non-infringing phones lately. I don't get all the doom and gloom going on here.
  - vibrunazo 14y ago
    > Even this remains to be seen. I don't think vanilla Android is going to be affected very much. You're obviously not familiar with the lawsuit on universal search. [1] Apple forced Samsung to remove a feature from its phone. Even from the stock Android Galaxy Nexus, which is much different from the iPhone. This lawsuit is already affecting consumers today. My tablet was just updated yesterday and had universal search removed. Meaning Apple already directly made my device worse. [1] http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/galaxy-s3-loses-universal-search-thanks-apple/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/galaxy-s3-loses-universa...
    - slantyyz 14y ago
      I had heard about the universal search part, but I tend to think that at some point in the near future you'll see Google and Apple work out a cross-licensing agreement similar to the one between Apple and Microsoft, which means that feature will be coming back. --edit-- According to: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3268609/how-google-has-avoided-apples-patents-trade-dress-other-claims http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3268609/how-google-has-avo... Apparently the universal search is back in 4.1 in a non-infringing way. >> Google significantly revamped search in Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) by introducing their new search product, Google Now. The persistent search bar stayed, but it now pulled up Google Now with its fancy prediction and useful cards. It now intelligently pulls in weather, driving directions, sports scores, and more without the user even asking. They also tweaked the way it searched both the web and the device, side-stepping Apple's patent. In addition, they countered Apple's Siri by offering a similar (but often faster) voice search and actions within Google Now.
mratzloff 14y ago
This is the equivalent of a border skirmish to Apple. It has a little more impact on Samsung, but certainly not enough to do any permanent damage. That's why all companies involved persist. Do you really think that if this were some kind of existential threat they wouldn't settle?
vibrunazo 14y ago
This is naive, this won't hurt much the big guys. It will only hurt small startups trying to enter the market. Samsung, Google and Apple can afford this fight. Google already paid over $10b for motorola and is already using that to sue Apple. They'll keep doing that until Apple is cornered to cross license its patents. Just like Apple and Microsoft did. Eventually, Apple, Google and Samsung will have cross licensed patents and will stop suing each other. Life will go on. But small startups who can't afford the dozens of billions of dollars these companies are spending to keep Apple off. Those are the ones who will be hurt. Next time an innovative startups tries to disrupt anything Apple is doing. They'll be put out of business because they use pinch to zoom. And this trial has set precedence in Apple's favor. This result is terrible for any small app developer. You should be worried about them, not Apple or Google.
- herval 14y ago
  It could hurt some of the big guys. Whoever gets sales blocked in their biggest markets could suffer big time (or even go out of business)... That "Apple is the bogey-man and they'll eat anyone that does pinch and zoom" argument is turning into a hollow fallacy. It's not just Apple and they won't sue everyone - it's an all-out war against very specific players (Google, Apple, Samsung and a couple others) that was even announced by Jobs before it happened. Not like they're moving entirely to the business of "patent trolling the world". "Innovative startups that try to disrupt anything" will be safe, IMHO... (except, of course, if "disrupting anything" means blatantly copying everything, from hardware design to icons...)
  - forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
    " First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me." I remember the days in witch patenting software or business methods was unthinkable, but now it is the "New normal". It was hard to believe at the time but is happening now.
  - 14y ago

ForrestN 14y ago

Can you say more about how this will happen? Do you really think the aftermath of this lawsuit will destroy Apple and Google? Who will take over their massive markets?

Marcan 14y ago

The phone manufacturers will be fine. There won't really be any massive damage to their revenue, the only party that will be hurt in the long run is the consumer.

mladenkovacevic 14y ago
I think you might be right. Here's my short rant on the issue. https://plus.google.com/u/0/110745064115147792537/posts/14WNL2vAVSW https://plus.google.com/u/0/110745064115147792537/posts/14WN...
- vvhn 14y ago
  Could you post a link which does not need a google login to read ? I tried this on Chrome's Incognito mode window as well. <Google Plus rant> I hope it's not the usual "Apple is evil, it's products' users are stupid" and (in slightly smaller numbers ) "Facebook is evil, Google Plus is awesome" drivel (and the circlejerk in the comments) </Google Plus rant>
slantyyz 14y ago
>> the only party that will be hurt in the long run is the consumer. Even this remains to be seen. I don't think vanilla Android is going to be affected very much. There might be a chilling effect on anyone trying to re-skin Android as an iPhone wannabe, but that's probably a good thing. I'm an iPhone user who thinks that some of Samsung's older models were blatantly trying to knock off the iPhone, but on the whole, I don't think that Android itself does, especially with the more recent releases of the OS. Samsung just got a deserved spanking for some past bad behaviour, but even they have moved past the "aping" phase and have been producing non-infringing phones lately. I don't get all the doom and gloom going on here.
- vibrunazo 14y ago
  > Even this remains to be seen. I don't think vanilla Android is going to be affected very much. You're obviously not familiar with the lawsuit on universal search. [1] Apple forced Samsung to remove a feature from its phone. Even from the stock Android Galaxy Nexus, which is much different from the iPhone. This lawsuit is already affecting consumers today. My tablet was just updated yesterday and had universal search removed. Meaning Apple already directly made my device worse. [1] http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/galaxy-s3-loses-universal-search-thanks-apple/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/galaxy-s3-loses-universa...
  - slantyyz 14y ago
    I had heard about the universal search part, but I tend to think that at some point in the near future you'll see Google and Apple work out a cross-licensing agreement similar to the one between Apple and Microsoft, which means that feature will be coming back. --edit-- According to: http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3268609/how-google-has-avoided-apples-patents-trade-dress-other-claims http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/25/3268609/how-google-has-avo... Apparently the universal search is back in 4.1 in a non-infringing way. >> Google significantly revamped search in Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) by introducing their new search product, Google Now. The persistent search bar stayed, but it now pulled up Google Now with its fancy prediction and useful cards. It now intelligently pulls in weather, driving directions, sports scores, and more without the user even asking. They also tweaked the way it searched both the web and the device, side-stepping Apple's patent. In addition, they countered Apple's Siri by offering a similar (but often faster) voice search and actions within Google Now.

mratzloff 14y ago

This is the equivalent of a border skirmish to Apple. It has a little more impact on Samsung, but certainly not enough to do any permanent damage. That's why all companies involved persist. Do you really think that if this were some kind of existential threat they wouldn't settle?

vibrunazo 14y ago

This is naive, this won't hurt much the big guys. It will only hurt small startups trying to enter the market. Samsung, Google and Apple can afford this fight. Google already paid over $10b for motorola and is already using that to sue Apple. They'll keep doing that until Apple is cornered to cross license its patents. Just like Apple and Microsoft did. Eventually, Apple, Google and Samsung will have cross licensed patents and will stop suing each other. Life will go on. But small startups who can't afford the dozens of billions of dollars these companies are spending to keep Apple off. Those are the ones who will be hurt. Next time an innovative startups tries to disrupt anything Apple is doing. They'll be put out of business because they use pinch to zoom. And this trial has set precedence in Apple's favor. This result is terrible for any small app developer. You should be worried about them, not Apple or Google.

herval 14y ago
It could hurt some of the big guys. Whoever gets sales blocked in their biggest markets could suffer big time (or even go out of business)... That "Apple is the bogey-man and they'll eat anyone that does pinch and zoom" argument is turning into a hollow fallacy. It's not just Apple and they won't sue everyone - it's an all-out war against very specific players (Google, Apple, Samsung and a couple others) that was even announced by Jobs before it happened. Not like they're moving entirely to the business of "patent trolling the world". "Innovative startups that try to disrupt anything" will be safe, IMHO... (except, of course, if "disrupting anything" means blatantly copying everything, from hardware design to icons...)
- forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
  " First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me." I remember the days in witch patenting software or business methods was unthinkable, but now it is the "New normal". It was hard to believe at the time but is happening now.
- 14y ago