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This is exactly the kind of innovation Apple apologists don't realize they're missing out on in the walled garden. You could still have easy, centralized billin

by bloppe 1y ago

This is exactly the kind of innovation Apple apologists don't realize they're missing out on in the walled garden. You could still have easy, centralized billing with all-in-one management and one-click cancellation, while paying 30% less for everything. Give the free market a chance.

skinnymuch 1y ago
That is the free market. That is why libertarians love the free market.
- bloppe 1y ago
  Idk if you just have a bone to pick with libertarians, but monopolized markets by definition are not free markets, regardless of how they arise
lofijeff 1y ago
This IS the free market ya dingus.
- bloppe 1y ago
  It's not a free market without meaningful choice. You can't say a slave is free because their master is free to enslave them, and they're free to escape if they can. Sometimes you need rules to create real freedom.
Traubenfuchs 1y ago
But the only way to have it centralized is to have it integrated in iOS. Stripe already is a second place, non centralized, off platform. I don't want to hunt down my predatory subscriptions in multiple places.
- bloppe 1y ago
  Why do you think that's the only way? Payment processors have long been able to differentiate recurring transactions from one-offs. Capital One has subscription management.
calessian 1y ago
How the platform and the vendor split that money is irrelevant to me, and I’m not convinced this would become cheaper - evidently consumers are willing to pay the current price, so why wouldn’t the vendor just increase their profit? In the same vein: Games don’t cost less on the epic store despite their lower (compared to Steam) either, so as an end user it makes no difference where I buy games.
- bloppe 1y ago
  https://expertbeacon.com/why-epic-games-is-cheaper-than-steam/ https://expertbeacon.com/why-epic-games-is-cheaper-than-stea... Maybe you like paying an extra 20%. That's your business. But fees like that affect the viability of lots of business ideas, including games. Having lower fees increases the pool of indie games.

by bloppe 1y ago

skinnymuch 1y ago

That is the free market. That is why libertarians love the free market.

bloppe 1y ago
Idk if you just have a bone to pick with libertarians, but monopolized markets by definition are not free markets, regardless of how they arise

lofijeff 1y ago

This IS the free market ya dingus.

bloppe 1y ago
It's not a free market without meaningful choice. You can't say a slave is free because their master is free to enslave them, and they're free to escape if they can. Sometimes you need rules to create real freedom.

Traubenfuchs 1y ago

But the only way to have it centralized is to have it integrated in iOS. Stripe already is a second place, non centralized, off platform. I don't want to hunt down my predatory subscriptions in multiple places.

bloppe 1y ago
Why do you think that's the only way? Payment processors have long been able to differentiate recurring transactions from one-offs. Capital One has subscription management.

calessian 1y ago

How the platform and the vendor split that money is irrelevant to me, and I’m not convinced this would become cheaper - evidently consumers are willing to pay the current price, so why wouldn’t the vendor just increase their profit? In the same vein: Games don’t cost less on the epic store despite their lower (compared to Steam) either, so as an end user it makes no difference where I buy games.

bloppe 1y ago
https://expertbeacon.com/why-epic-games-is-cheaper-than-steam/ https://expertbeacon.com/why-epic-games-is-cheaper-than-stea... Maybe you like paying an extra 20%. That's your business. But fees like that affect the viability of lots of business ideas, including games. Having lower fees increases the pool of indie games.