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> It's not obvious because people producing high quality stuff have no incentive at all to mark their changes as AI-generated I feel like we'd be hearing from

by amake 1y ago

> It's not obvious because people producing high quality stuff have no incentive at all to mark their changes as AI-generated I feel like we'd be hearing from business that crushed their competition by delivering faster or with fewer people. Where are those businesses? > But there are also local tools generated This is really not the same thing as the original claim ("Software projects that somehow are 100% human developed will not be competitive with AI assisted or written projects").

bredren 1y ago
This is happening right now and it won’t be obvious until the liquidity events provide enough cover for victory lap story telling. The very knowledge that an organization is experiencing hyper acceleration due to its successful adoption of AI across the enterprise is proprietary. There are no HBS case studies about businesses that successfully established and implemented strategic pillars for AI because the pillars were likely written in the past four months.
- amake 1y ago
  > This is happening right now and it won’t be obvious until I asked for evidence and, as always, lots of people are popping out of the woodwork to swear that it's true but I can't see the evidence yet. OK, then. Good luck with that.
  - brulard 1y ago
    Do you think that company success and it's causes are measurable day by day? I've worked for an industrial company that completely screwed up their software development, but their business is rooted so deep into other businesses, that it would take a decade until the result emerges. This may be extreme, but for average business I would expect 2-3 years for these results to be measurable. Startups may be quicker, but it's extremely difficult to compare them as every startup is quite unique. So if you wait for hard evidence, good luck not missing the train.
TeMPOraL 1y ago
> I feel like we'd be hearing from business that crushed their competition by delivering faster or with fewer people. Where are those businesses? As if tech part was the major part of getting the product to market. Those businesses are probably everywhere. They just aren't open about admitting they're using AI to speed up their marketing/product design/programming/project management/graphics design, because a) it's not normal outside some tech startup sphere to brag about how you're improving your internal process, and b) because almost everyone else is doing that too, so it partially cancels out - that is what competition on the market means, and c) admitting to use of AI in current climate is kind of a questionable PR move. WRT. those who fail to leverage the new tools and are destined to be outcompeted, this process takes extended time, because companies have inertia. >> But there are also local tools generated > This is really not the same thing as the original claim Point is that such wins compound. You get yak shaving done faster by fashioning your own tools on the fly, and it also cuts cost and a huge burden of maintaining relationships with third parties[0] -- [0] - Because each account you create, each subscription you take, even each online tool you kinda track and hope hope hope won't disappear on you - each such case comes with a cognitive tax of a business relationship you probably didn't want, that often costs you money directly, and that you need to keep track of.
- amake 1y ago
  > Those businesses are probably everywhere. They just aren't open about admitting "Where's the evidence?" "Probably everywhere." OK, good luck, have fun
  - TeMPOraL 1y ago
    Yup. Or, "Just look around!".
    - amake 1y ago
      If it was self-evident then I wouldn’t need to ask for evidence. And I imagine you wouldn’t need to be waving your hands making excuses for the lack of evidence.
tomjen3 1y ago
You are just not listening to the right places. fly.pieter.com made a fortune while he live vide coded it on Twitter. One made making a modern multiplayer game. Or Michael Luo, who got a legal notice after making a much cheaper app that did the same as docusign https://analyticsindiamag.com/ai-news-updates/vibe-coder-gets-legal-notice-from-docusign/ https://analyticsindiamag.com/ai-news-updates/vibe-coder-get... There are others, but if you have found a gold mine, why would you inform the world?
fragmede 1y ago
We'll have to see how it pans out for Cloudflare. They published an oauth thing and all the prompts used to create it. https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-oauth-provider/ https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-oauth-provider/

by amake 1y ago

bredren 1y ago

This is happening right now and it won’t be obvious until the liquidity events provide enough cover for victory lap story telling. The very knowledge that an organization is experiencing hyper acceleration due to its successful adoption of AI across the enterprise is proprietary. There are no HBS case studies about businesses that successfully established and implemented strategic pillars for AI because the pillars were likely written in the past four months.

amake 1y ago
> This is happening right now and it won’t be obvious until I asked for evidence and, as always, lots of people are popping out of the woodwork to swear that it's true but I can't see the evidence yet. OK, then. Good luck with that.
- brulard 1y ago
  Do you think that company success and it's causes are measurable day by day? I've worked for an industrial company that completely screwed up their software development, but their business is rooted so deep into other businesses, that it would take a decade until the result emerges. This may be extreme, but for average business I would expect 2-3 years for these results to be measurable. Startups may be quicker, but it's extremely difficult to compare them as every startup is quite unique. So if you wait for hard evidence, good luck not missing the train.

TeMPOraL 1y ago

> I feel like we'd be hearing from business that crushed their competition by delivering faster or with fewer people. Where are those businesses? As if tech part was the major part of getting the product to market. Those businesses are probably everywhere. They just aren't open about admitting they're using AI to speed up their marketing/product design/programming/project management/graphics design, because a) it's not normal outside some tech startup sphere to brag about how you're improving your internal process, and b) because almost everyone else is doing that too, so it partially cancels out - that is what competition on the market means, and c) admitting to use of AI in current climate is kind of a questionable PR move. WRT. those who fail to leverage the new tools and are destined to be outcompeted, this process takes extended time, because companies have inertia. >> But there are also local tools generated > This is really not the same thing as the original claim Point is that such wins compound. You get yak shaving done faster by fashioning your own tools on the fly, and it also cuts cost and a huge burden of maintaining relationships with third parties[0] -- [0] - Because each account you create, each subscription you take, even each online tool you kinda track and hope hope hope won't disappear on you - each such case comes with a cognitive tax of a business relationship you probably didn't want, that often costs you money directly, and that you need to keep track of.

amake 1y ago
> Those businesses are probably everywhere. They just aren't open about admitting "Where's the evidence?" "Probably everywhere." OK, good luck, have fun
- TeMPOraL 1y ago
  Yup. Or, "Just look around!".
  - amake 1y ago
    If it was self-evident then I wouldn’t need to ask for evidence. And I imagine you wouldn’t need to be waving your hands making excuses for the lack of evidence.

tomjen3 1y ago

You are just not listening to the right places. fly.pieter.com made a fortune while he live vide coded it on Twitter. One made making a modern multiplayer game. Or Michael Luo, who got a legal notice after making a much cheaper app that did the same as docusign https://analyticsindiamag.com/ai-news-updates/vibe-coder-gets-legal-notice-from-docusign/ https://analyticsindiamag.com/ai-news-updates/vibe-coder-get... There are others, but if you have found a gold mine, why would you inform the world?

fragmede 1y ago

We'll have to see how it pans out for Cloudflare. They published an oauth thing and all the prompts used to create it. https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-oauth-provider/ https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-oauth-provider/