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Semaglutide / GLP-1 compounding is not limited to just Hims. Lot's of pharmacies do it. The manufacturer (Novo Nordisk) charges 5x-10x for the exact same thing

by yold__ 1y ago

Semaglutide / GLP-1 compounding is not limited to just Hims. Lot's of pharmacies do it. The manufacturer (Novo Nordisk) charges 5x-10x for the exact same thing. The author calls the GLP-1s used in compounding "Chinese Knockoffs", but offers no evidence of quality control problems, and is instead relying on the reader's prejudices. GLP-1 drugs may be a game-changer for obesity and diabetes, the same way that cholesterol (statin) drugs have greatly improved heart health. Hopefully reversing a long trend of increasing waistbands in developed / developing countries. Unfortunately, America will pay the highest price (including Medicare). I'm all for anything that makes them cheaper, including the many compounding pharmacies currently exploiting the loophole the author takes issue with.

adxl 1y ago
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Spooky23 1y ago
The problem with your position is simple: where does it come from? The legit path for compounded semaglutide is buying up Rybelsus, impacting the supply for diabetics. Compounding pharmacies are notoriously shady, and are likely using grey market materials from questionable sources.
- jrflowers 1y ago
  Can you give some specific examples of compounding pharmacies buying up Rybelsus or using grey market GLP-1
  - Spooky23 1y ago
    There’s a bunch of material out there including acknowledgment from the association of compounding pharmacies. They are in general shady, and the Florida pharmacies are notoriously under-regulated. Guess where most of the online dick pill outlets do their compounding?
  - Brian_K_White 1y ago
    Why would this product be different from any other product?
- bevr1337 1y ago
  > Compounding pharmacies are notoriously shady, and are likely using grey market materials from questionable sources. Are they? Compounding pharmacies are common and boring. If someone hasn't yet used a compounding pharmacy then it's likely they're in very good health -- yay for them! What's being described doesn't feel like an issue with compounding rather folks setting up shop to peddle questionable drugs.
- bickfordb 1y ago
  Is there evidence that compounded Semaglutide from Hims pharmacies has harmed anyone?
  - hammock 1y ago
    Safe and effective. Side effects are very rare and are usually limited to soreness at the site of injection. Recommend everyone who is recommended semaglutide by a relevant authority, to get it. The obesity epidemic is a national security concern
    - zdragnar 1y ago
      I don't think the question was whether semaglutide was safe, but whether the version that Hims sells is safe. That includes things like being free from contaminants, stability of the compound, etc.
      - ryandrake 1y ago
        > I don't think the question was whether semaglutide was safe, but whether the version that Hims sells is safe. Don’t forget “effective” too. If you just make the bar “safety” then you are accepting sugar pills as medicine for whatever condition. You should need to prove both safety AND effectiveness.
        hammock 1y ago
        Sugar is arguably more “effective” than it is “safe.” But I know you are referring to sugar pills not sugar diet
      - hammock 1y ago
        How would you even test for that?
      - Spooky23 1y ago
        Hims just outsources fulfillment to a compounding pharmacy. Usually they add vitamin B-12 to make it "customized". Are they crushing rybelsus? Getting raw materials through some mysterious supply chain from Ukraine, China or Israel? You have no idea. On the flip, I think access to basic drugs for stuff like ED, hair loss, etc is fine. But they also do stuff like off-label anti-depressants, etc can potentially be dangerous... but at the same time, people are going to urgent cares and getting antidepressants with just more cost and friction.
beejiu 1y ago
Isn't the point of regulation to set the bar you must prove you meet, rather than a bar you must prove others haven't met?
- deleted 1y ago
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827a 1y ago
Agreed. The number of times the article specifically calls out "shady Chinese knockoffs" is honestly, actually, racism. If there's evidence that Hims' drugs are harmful: Present it. The article doesn't. I know tons of people who have used Hims and companies like it, for a variety of things. I'm aware of no specific or general problems anyone has had with their medication.
- kridsdale1 1y ago
  Truthfully China is the source for a huge amount of “legitimate” generic and brand name patent protected drugs. China produces things. Of high quality as well as low. More and more, it’s the only source for high quality things. The OP’s conniption is about intellectual property and monopoly protection, not health. Everyone in the world (almost) would be far healthier with weekly injections of Chinese chemicals.
- throw10920 1y ago
  > The number of times the article specifically calls out "shady Chinese knockoffs" is honestly, actually, racism. Factually incorrect. A country is not a race. You cannot be racist against a country, by definition, and China in particular has a very well-documented pattern of making low-quality clones of products from other countries (often using IP stolen from those countries), so the concern is well-justified. More generally, the use of "racism" as a response to well-justified concerns about products of a country is completely irredeemable. It's logically invalid, emotionally manipulative, breaks the HN guidelines, is blatantly anti-intellectual, and is mostly used as a propaganda technique by state actors. Please keep this drivel off of platforms like HN that are designed for intellectual curiosity.
  - eurleif 1y ago
    It's interesting to consider why criticisms of China in particular are often interpreted as racism. No one makes the same accusation if you criticize America. Part of the explanation may be that China is much more ethnically homogenous: Han Chinese are 92% of the population. It seems that in the name of opposing racism, people are effectively rewarding China for being an ethnostate.
atombender 1y ago
There are concerns around safety. Compounding is somewhat controversial because they produce versions of FDA-approved drugs that are not FDA-approved, and may use chemical formulations (such as semaglutide salts) that aren't FDA-approved. [1] The problem isn't that compounding pharmacies provide cheap versions of the same drug, it's that the compounding process doesn't produce exactly the same drug, and hasn't undergone the same stringent quality controls as Wegovy etc. Ideally, these drugs should be cheap. The compounding is only done because there's a loophole that provides a market opportunity. The correct solution would be to improve the regulations in a way that would let more manufacturers produce safe generics. [1] https://www.goodrx.com/classes/glp-1-agonists/compounded-semaglutide https://www.goodrx.com/classes/glp-1-agonists/compounded-sem...

by yold__ 1y ago

adxl 1y ago

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Spooky23 1y ago

The problem with your position is simple: where does it come from? The legit path for compounded semaglutide is buying up Rybelsus, impacting the supply for diabetics. Compounding pharmacies are notoriously shady, and are likely using grey market materials from questionable sources.

jrflowers 1y ago
Can you give some specific examples of compounding pharmacies buying up Rybelsus or using grey market GLP-1
- Spooky23 1y ago
  There’s a bunch of material out there including acknowledgment from the association of compounding pharmacies. They are in general shady, and the Florida pharmacies are notoriously under-regulated. Guess where most of the online dick pill outlets do their compounding?
- Brian_K_White 1y ago
  Why would this product be different from any other product?
bevr1337 1y ago
> Compounding pharmacies are notoriously shady, and are likely using grey market materials from questionable sources. Are they? Compounding pharmacies are common and boring. If someone hasn't yet used a compounding pharmacy then it's likely they're in very good health -- yay for them! What's being described doesn't feel like an issue with compounding rather folks setting up shop to peddle questionable drugs.
bickfordb 1y ago
Is there evidence that compounded Semaglutide from Hims pharmacies has harmed anyone?
- hammock 1y ago
  Safe and effective. Side effects are very rare and are usually limited to soreness at the site of injection. Recommend everyone who is recommended semaglutide by a relevant authority, to get it. The obesity epidemic is a national security concern
  - zdragnar 1y ago
    I don't think the question was whether semaglutide was safe, but whether the version that Hims sells is safe. That includes things like being free from contaminants, stability of the compound, etc.
    - ryandrake 1y ago
      > I don't think the question was whether semaglutide was safe, but whether the version that Hims sells is safe. Don’t forget “effective” too. If you just make the bar “safety” then you are accepting sugar pills as medicine for whatever condition. You should need to prove both safety AND effectiveness.
      - hammock 1y ago
        Sugar is arguably more “effective” than it is “safe.” But I know you are referring to sugar pills not sugar diet
    - hammock 1y ago
      How would you even test for that?
    - Spooky23 1y ago
      Hims just outsources fulfillment to a compounding pharmacy. Usually they add vitamin B-12 to make it "customized". Are they crushing rybelsus? Getting raw materials through some mysterious supply chain from Ukraine, China or Israel? You have no idea. On the flip, I think access to basic drugs for stuff like ED, hair loss, etc is fine. But they also do stuff like off-label anti-depressants, etc can potentially be dangerous... but at the same time, people are going to urgent cares and getting antidepressants with just more cost and friction.

beejiu 1y ago

Isn't the point of regulation to set the bar you must prove you meet, rather than a bar you must prove others haven't met?

deleted 1y ago
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827a 1y ago

Agreed. The number of times the article specifically calls out "shady Chinese knockoffs" is honestly, actually, racism. If there's evidence that Hims' drugs are harmful: Present it. The article doesn't. I know tons of people who have used Hims and companies like it, for a variety of things. I'm aware of no specific or general problems anyone has had with their medication.

kridsdale1 1y ago
Truthfully China is the source for a huge amount of “legitimate” generic and brand name patent protected drugs. China produces things. Of high quality as well as low. More and more, it’s the only source for high quality things. The OP’s conniption is about intellectual property and monopoly protection, not health. Everyone in the world (almost) would be far healthier with weekly injections of Chinese chemicals.
throw10920 1y ago
> The number of times the article specifically calls out "shady Chinese knockoffs" is honestly, actually, racism. Factually incorrect. A country is not a race. You cannot be racist against a country, by definition, and China in particular has a very well-documented pattern of making low-quality clones of products from other countries (often using IP stolen from those countries), so the concern is well-justified. More generally, the use of "racism" as a response to well-justified concerns about products of a country is completely irredeemable. It's logically invalid, emotionally manipulative, breaks the HN guidelines, is blatantly anti-intellectual, and is mostly used as a propaganda technique by state actors. Please keep this drivel off of platforms like HN that are designed for intellectual curiosity.
- eurleif 1y ago
  It's interesting to consider why criticisms of China in particular are often interpreted as racism. No one makes the same accusation if you criticize America. Part of the explanation may be that China is much more ethnically homogenous: Han Chinese are 92% of the population. It seems that in the name of opposing racism, people are effectively rewarding China for being an ethnostate.

atombender 1y ago

There are concerns around safety. Compounding is somewhat controversial because they produce versions of FDA-approved drugs that are not FDA-approved, and may use chemical formulations (such as semaglutide salts) that aren't FDA-approved. [1] The problem isn't that compounding pharmacies provide cheap versions of the same drug, it's that the compounding process doesn't produce exactly the same drug, and hasn't undergone the same stringent quality controls as Wegovy etc. Ideally, these drugs should be cheap. The compounding is only done because there's a loophole that provides a market opportunity. The correct solution would be to improve the regulations in a way that would let more manufacturers produce safe generics. [1] https://www.goodrx.com/classes/glp-1-agonists/compounded-semaglutide https://www.goodrx.com/classes/glp-1-agonists/compounded-sem...