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Crime is also way down over the last 20 years: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/ https://www.pewrese

Crime is also way down over the last 20 years: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-...

FrustratedMonky 1y ago
Because of those tough on crime republicans. Lets see if cutting education has any impact over the next 20 years.
- jandrewrogers 1y ago
  Crime reduction is strongly correlated with an aging population. Crime is largely a young man's game.
  - FrustratedMonky 1y ago
    Young and hungry, without opportunity. Also something being cut with reduced food aid and education.
    - electriclove 1y ago
      Education? Free Food Aid? In the US, people are not starving
      - FrustratedMonky 1y ago
        Just because a lot of people are fat, doesn't mean it is evenly distributed. That is just a right talking point about how we are so spoiled. Plenty of kids need food. Kids learn better when not hungry. And Republicans are cutting school food programs.
      - mrguyorama 1y ago
        13% of American households experienced food insecurity in 2023, which means "these households were uncertain of having or unable to acquire enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food." 5% (6.8 million households) experienced "very low food security" which is "normal eating patterns of one or more household members were disrupted and food intake was reduced at times during the year because they had insufficient money or other resources for food" American food security is so bad in plenty of places that we can still get notable increases in academic performance just by giving people food Lack of access to food is literally holding the US back.
WalterBright 1y ago
At least in Seattle, crime is "way down" because many businesses have stopped reporting it, because the police don't respond to less serious crimes anymore. A shopkeeper friend of mine closed his business in Seattle after multiple lootings of his place and the police never showing up. He relocated to a bedroom community. Crime statistics are not necessarily accurate, and politicians have an interest in minimizing those statistics one way or another.
- tptacek 1y ago
  This is why the headline statistic for crime tracking is usually homicide, which is also down.
- energywut 1y ago
  You have any data to support that? I've lived in Seattle for 40 years, and crime here is way less of a concern now than it ever has been. Especially violent crime. My experience also seems to match statistics. So, it would seem that your friend's experience might be the outlier -- I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm saying their experience doesn't match the data and there's at least one anecdote (mine) that runs counter to their anecdote. Seems like a good opportunity to try and find data that supports your hypothesis?
  - mensetmanusman 1y ago
    “Data on the things that no one is reporting”
    - energywut 1y ago
      Don't be facile. Police reports aren't the only source of data. If this was a widespread impact then there would be other sources of data that could be used to build this case. Additionally, we cannot make policy decisions on "just trust me, my friend said...". Maybe we can't get a perfect signal, but if you are going to challenge the prevailing data, I expect you to bring something novel beyond vibes. It doesn't have to be perfect, but a single anecdote plus "I believe it" is not sufficient to oppose what the data we do have is consistently saying -- crime is lower in Seattle, and has been consistently lowering over time.

FrustratedMonky 1y ago

Because of those tough on crime republicans. Lets see if cutting education has any impact over the next 20 years.

jandrewrogers 1y ago
Crime reduction is strongly correlated with an aging population. Crime is largely a young man's game.
- FrustratedMonky 1y ago
  Young and hungry, without opportunity. Also something being cut with reduced food aid and education.
  - electriclove 1y ago
    Education? Free Food Aid? In the US, people are not starving
    - FrustratedMonky 1y ago
      Just because a lot of people are fat, doesn't mean it is evenly distributed. That is just a right talking point about how we are so spoiled. Plenty of kids need food. Kids learn better when not hungry. And Republicans are cutting school food programs.
    - mrguyorama 1y ago
      13% of American households experienced food insecurity in 2023, which means "these households were uncertain of having or unable to acquire enough food to meet the needs of all their members because they had insufficient money or other resources for food." 5% (6.8 million households) experienced "very low food security" which is "normal eating patterns of one or more household members were disrupted and food intake was reduced at times during the year because they had insufficient money or other resources for food" American food security is so bad in plenty of places that we can still get notable increases in academic performance just by giving people food Lack of access to food is literally holding the US back.

WalterBright 1y ago

At least in Seattle, crime is "way down" because many businesses have stopped reporting it, because the police don't respond to less serious crimes anymore. A shopkeeper friend of mine closed his business in Seattle after multiple lootings of his place and the police never showing up. He relocated to a bedroom community. Crime statistics are not necessarily accurate, and politicians have an interest in minimizing those statistics one way or another.

tptacek 1y ago
This is why the headline statistic for crime tracking is usually homicide, which is also down.
energywut 1y ago
You have any data to support that? I've lived in Seattle for 40 years, and crime here is way less of a concern now than it ever has been. Especially violent crime. My experience also seems to match statistics. So, it would seem that your friend's experience might be the outlier -- I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm saying their experience doesn't match the data and there's at least one anecdote (mine) that runs counter to their anecdote. Seems like a good opportunity to try and find data that supports your hypothesis?
- mensetmanusman 1y ago
  “Data on the things that no one is reporting”
  - energywut 1y ago
    Don't be facile. Police reports aren't the only source of data. If this was a widespread impact then there would be other sources of data that could be used to build this case. Additionally, we cannot make policy decisions on "just trust me, my friend said...". Maybe we can't get a perfect signal, but if you are going to challenge the prevailing data, I expect you to bring something novel beyond vibes. It doesn't have to be perfect, but a single anecdote plus "I believe it" is not sufficient to oppose what the data we do have is consistently saying -- crime is lower in Seattle, and has been consistently lowering over time.