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They're starting to get desperate because a billion machines can't/won't 'upgrade' to 11. The ewaste from excluding a billion machines is just incredible. This

They're starting to get desperate because a billion machines can't/won't 'upgrade' to 11. The ewaste from excluding a billion machines is just incredible. This from a company that claims to be green.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>The ewaste from excluding a billion machines is just incredible. Genuine question: In which country do you live where working Windows 10 PCs are sent to the landfill? I look on my country's used market online every day for my hobby, and every functioning PC/laptop all the way from the MS-DOS, Windows 95 era, XP, Vista, and 10, finds a buyer for the right price. Pentium 4s, Pentium 3s, Pentium 2s, Pentium MMXs, 486s, you name it. Nobody's throwing them away in the landfill when there's always a buyer/taker for them if you have patience. I feel like people are making up imaginary ewaste on the Windows 10 topic just to cause a hubbub, but where I live there's literally no such thing going on, nor have I seen any proof of it happening anywhere else. Even PCs older than Windows 10 always find a buyer! Let that sink in. If people in your country throw working windows 10 PCs in landfills, I feel like the issue is with the people in that country being needlessly wasteful and uncaring to sell/give away to those in need, not with Microsoft. Edit1: would the downvoters care to explain themselves with some arguments? Or do people love overreacting to ideas they don't like via a button instead of formulating a though? Edit2: @kstrauser below: 1) why would you throw away a working PC instead of giving it away for free? Who have you met who throws away working PCs in the trash when they no longer get the latest OS? There's old people still using Windows 7 PCs just because it works for them and it didn't break down. What makes you think they'll throw away working Windows 10 PCs in dumpsters now? 2) Why would you ship the PC in another country using fuel, when someone locally will pick it up for free to use it? Like I said, there's always a taker. I see no arguments so far against my points just imaginary scenarios of super wasteful people who throw away good stuff randomly, but then not Microsoft nor anyone can stop them throwing Bugattis off cliffs if that's their jam. Edit 3: @SECProto below: I asked how many people you know who throw in dumpsters working Windows 10 PCs, and you went on a tangent answered something completely different, in bad faith I would say. Of course all computing tech eventually gets landfilled due to obsolescence, that's inevitable, but if you post an ad for a Windows 10 PC now, someone will take it from you to use it, if you post an ad for a Pentium 3 PC now, someone will take it from you to use it. There's no excuse to just throw working PCs in a landfill other than malice. If your society mass landfills PCs the moment $LATEST_SW doesn't run on them, instead of finding new owners, then your society is at fault.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  Nearly everyone in the world throws out stuff someone else could gladly reuse. “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure” is an old saying. I’m not claiming I’d throw out a Windows 10 PC. I’d personally install Linux on it instead. But I can certainly imagine someone seeing nothing worth salvaging from a 10 year old PC and tossing it, and I can’t say they’re objectively wrong for doing it. Should they personally ship it to another country at some cost in fuel? I think people are downvoting at your feigned incredulity at something not bizarrely “wrong” to a lot of people.
- SECProto 1y ago
  > Genuine question: In which country do you live where working Windows 10 PCs are sent to the landfill? [...] Nobody's throwing them away in the landfill when there's always a buyer/taker for them if you have patience > Edit: would the downvoters care to explain themselves with some arguments? I'll bite. I know many many many people who had all the era's of PC you mentioned. None of them still have them. None of them sold them. They may have put them on the curb, or "recycled" them, or sent them to the landfill - I don't know and it doesn't impact the fact that I don't know anyone who has a single one of them still in use. This is easy to confirm by doing some order of magnitude math on how many of these machines were made (many), and how many are still in use (very few). Regarding the Windows 10 specific question: it is still supported and receives updates, so of course they aren't going to landfill yet. The question is what will happen in a year or so once they are no longer supported (most non-techy users wont be installing LTSC). Spoiler: the vast majority of them will be sent to landfill or "recycler", not sold and kept in use.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  Don’t edit to reply. This is a threaded forum. But anyway, technology is so dense where I leave that you can’t give away some stuff. A 10 year old PC? Maybe. 15-20 years? No way, unless someone needs a specific part from it. There is zero demand otherwise for such a thing. There’s so much new tech that slightly older is nearly valueless locally.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago

They're starting to get desperate because a billion machines can't/won't 'upgrade' to 11. The ewaste from excluding a billion machines is just incredible. This from a company that claims to be green.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>The ewaste from excluding a billion machines is just incredible. Genuine question: In which country do you live where working Windows 10 PCs are sent to the landfill? I look on my country's used market online every day for my hobby, and every functioning PC/laptop all the way from the MS-DOS, Windows 95 era, XP, Vista, and 10, finds a buyer for the right price. Pentium 4s, Pentium 3s, Pentium 2s, Pentium MMXs, 486s, you name it. Nobody's throwing them away in the landfill when there's always a buyer/taker for them if you have patience. I feel like people are making up imaginary ewaste on the Windows 10 topic just to cause a hubbub, but where I live there's literally no such thing going on, nor have I seen any proof of it happening anywhere else. Even PCs older than Windows 10 always find a buyer! Let that sink in. If people in your country throw working windows 10 PCs in landfills, I feel like the issue is with the people in that country being needlessly wasteful and uncaring to sell/give away to those in need, not with Microsoft. Edit1: would the downvoters care to explain themselves with some arguments? Or do people love overreacting to ideas they don't like via a button instead of formulating a though? Edit2: @kstrauser below: 1) why would you throw away a working PC instead of giving it away for free? Who have you met who throws away working PCs in the trash when they no longer get the latest OS? There's old people still using Windows 7 PCs just because it works for them and it didn't break down. What makes you think they'll throw away working Windows 10 PCs in dumpsters now? 2) Why would you ship the PC in another country using fuel, when someone locally will pick it up for free to use it? Like I said, there's always a taker. I see no arguments so far against my points just imaginary scenarios of super wasteful people who throw away good stuff randomly, but then not Microsoft nor anyone can stop them throwing Bugattis off cliffs if that's their jam. Edit 3: @SECProto below: I asked how many people you know who throw in dumpsters working Windows 10 PCs, and you went on a tangent answered something completely different, in bad faith I would say. Of course all computing tech eventually gets landfilled due to obsolescence, that's inevitable, but if you post an ad for a Windows 10 PC now, someone will take it from you to use it, if you post an ad for a Pentium 3 PC now, someone will take it from you to use it. There's no excuse to just throw working PCs in a landfill other than malice. If your society mass landfills PCs the moment $LATEST_SW doesn't run on them, instead of finding new owners, then your society is at fault.

kstrauser 1y ago
Nearly everyone in the world throws out stuff someone else could gladly reuse. “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure” is an old saying. I’m not claiming I’d throw out a Windows 10 PC. I’d personally install Linux on it instead. But I can certainly imagine someone seeing nothing worth salvaging from a 10 year old PC and tossing it, and I can’t say they’re objectively wrong for doing it. Should they personally ship it to another country at some cost in fuel? I think people are downvoting at your feigned incredulity at something not bizarrely “wrong” to a lot of people.
SECProto 1y ago
> Genuine question: In which country do you live where working Windows 10 PCs are sent to the landfill? [...] Nobody's throwing them away in the landfill when there's always a buyer/taker for them if you have patience > Edit: would the downvoters care to explain themselves with some arguments? I'll bite. I know many many many people who had all the era's of PC you mentioned. None of them still have them. None of them sold them. They may have put them on the curb, or "recycled" them, or sent them to the landfill - I don't know and it doesn't impact the fact that I don't know anyone who has a single one of them still in use. This is easy to confirm by doing some order of magnitude math on how many of these machines were made (many), and how many are still in use (very few). Regarding the Windows 10 specific question: it is still supported and receives updates, so of course they aren't going to landfill yet. The question is what will happen in a year or so once they are no longer supported (most non-techy users wont be installing LTSC). Spoiler: the vast majority of them will be sent to landfill or "recycler", not sold and kept in use.
kstrauser 1y ago
Don’t edit to reply. This is a threaded forum. But anyway, technology is so dense where I leave that you can’t give away some stuff. A 10 year old PC? Maybe. 15-20 years? No way, unless someone needs a specific part from it. There is zero demand otherwise for such a thing. There’s so much new tech that slightly older is nearly valueless locally.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago