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I've said it before here, I'll say it again: it is high time that our governments follow the money and the scammers. Sanction the source countries of these scam

I've said it before here, I'll say it again: it is high time that our governments follow the money and the scammers. Sanction the source countries of these scams to hell and beyond until they clean up their act and pray in front of us on their knees for forgiveness. And yes, I'd like particularly Narendra Modi to kneel - it's hard to wish anything else after watching more than two Scammer Payback videos. Obviously Indian police is aware of what's going on, he's posted more than enough proof, but mysteriously the callcenters get warned in time and vanish. The US alone loses 158 billion $ each year [1] to scams, the global toll is allegedly around 1 trillion $ [2]. That's fucking insane, this has to stop. [1] https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ftc-states-scams-cost-us-consumers-1583b-one-year-roger-grimes-219ye https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ftc-states-scams-cost-us-cons... [2] https://www.gasa.org/post/global-state-of-scams-report-2024-1-trillion-stolen-in-12-months-gasa-feedzai https://www.gasa.org/post/global-state-of-scams-report-2024-...

throwaway48476 1y ago
Scamming is a large fraction of GDP in some countries.
throwawayoldie 1y ago
> it is high time that our governments follow the money and the scammers I suspect the reason they don't is many of them know that following the money will lead right to their own front doors.
coredog64 1y ago
Every dollar in scam damages verified by the FBI is one fewer work visa for anyone from that country. India is now in a hole of 1 billion (or 10,000 lakhs) work visas, and the latter are more valuable than scams.
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SapporoChris 1y ago
https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/ The US GDP is more than 27 trillion. If 158 billion is being lost. That's about .6% of the GDP. So, my question is, why does this have to stop? If it is stopped the benefits to the global population seems trivial. I'm sure at the individual level it is devastating. Good luck getting the national government to care about such a small percent.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  This is not a good financial analysis. Nearly any mature company would absolutely pursue 0.6% in cost reduction. That is a huge, juicy target.
- jgeada 1y ago
  Because scams destroy trust in institutions, and trust in US institutions is already worryingly low. Without trust in institutions the system collapses.
- bikecuck2 1y ago
  "The total happiness in the world increased"
_zagj 1y ago
It's strange how some of these countries don't take action on their own behalf, if only to preserve their international reputation and the reputation of their citizens abroad. India is a great example. Do Indians not realize how much damage they've done to their reputation by allowing scam call centers to flourish? Are they not aware of > DO NOT REDEEM Imagine Americans living in small towns with few to no Indians, and their only association with Indian accents is someone trying to steal their (or their parents' or granparents') money. EDIT: seatac76, your reply got shadowed; perhaps your entire account. Not sure why.
- keutoi 1y ago
  _Allowing scam call centers to flourish_. How much control does an average citizen have over these criminal enterprises? Does an average US citizen know/care/take-action when mercenaries from their country topple governments of other countries? As long as the crime is not visible, they just enjoy fruits of their crimes.
  - _zagj 1y ago
    > How much control does an average citizen have over these criminal enterprises? My point was about the government. This phenomenon is large enough that I'm shocked it hasn't openly caused a diplomatic rift between the US and India, and New Delhi should have a vested interested in combating it. > when mercenaries from their country topple governments of other countries What "mercenaries" are you referring to?
    - throwaway_434 1y ago
      > This phenomenon is large enough that I'm shocked it hasn't openly caused a diplomatic rift between the US and India, and New Delhi should have a vested interested in combating it. It is only large enough to you probably. India has been sanctioned by US in the 90s for doing reciprocal nuclear tests (after China detonated its bomb) and suffered billions of dollars in trade. US gained nothing from the sanctions except to push India into more poverty. It ended up being counter-productive. Even now Trump is threatening India with billions of dollars in trade sanctions that far outweighs anything caused by scams (if you take absolute numbers). > What "mercenaries" are you referring to? The CIA is currently fuelling and instigating Manipur riots in India by supplying arms and ammunitions to Kuki narco-terrorists. Prior to this we had USAID that was influencing electoral politics within India. Apart from that, we just witnessed regime change operations in Bangladesh where Pro-India Shiekh Hasina was toppled for a Pro-US Jihadi Muhammad Yunus. All of these run the US taxpayers in hundreds of billions of dollars. Far more than any scam conducted by Indian call centers. For an average US citizen, sure it feels like a lot, since you guys are at the receiving end. But since you mentioned why US Government is not bringing this up, it is because it pales in comparison to what US Government has done to India over the past 7 decades. India can bring up a lot of counterpoints that will only cause US diplomats to shut up. We haven't even touched on killing of our nuclear scientists. Too many skeletons in their closet.
commandlinefan 1y ago
> Sanction the source countries According to the article, this is originating in China - we're sanctioning them pretty hard as it is, and they don't seem to care that much.
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  Usually Chinese but not located in China proper.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  There's more scammers than just Myanmar, North Korea and China, that's why I explicitly mentioned Scammer Payback - he almost exclusively targets Indian scammers and even learned Hindi to understand the background talks of scammers.
throwaway_434 1y ago
> And yes, I'd like particularly Narendra Modi to kneel Umm you are targeting the wrong person here. Majority of the scam call centers come from West Bengal, particularly Kolkata. Which is headed by Chief Minister Mamta Banerjee. India has a federal structure, with cooperation between Center and States. Similar to USA. Modi just can't invade Kolkata using Indian Armed Forces and dismantle the operations without facing significant legal challenges in the Supreme Court of India. West Bengal is a islamo-commie state. Nearly impossible to flip the state electorally for BJP to win (Narendra Modi heads BJP). The state is a stronghold of Mamta Banerjee who heads the TMC party. She came to power after nearly 4 decades of Communist rule.
- mschuster91 1y ago
  First of all, I didn't downvote you, and you provide valuable context, so if the downvoters would care to explain why I would be very happy. > India has a federal structure, with cooperation between Center and States. Similar to USA. Modi just can't invade Kolkata using Indian Armed Forces and dismantle the operations without facing significant legal challenges in the Supreme Court of India. There are ways in any federal system to force the cooperation of unwilling states. The US, infamously, threatened to withhold federal highway funding unless states raised the minimum drinking age to 21. The federal government could also be transparent about hints of scammers they get and explain why the scammers are not being targeted. Particularly when the state in question is run by the opposition, I would expect the federal government party to use this as political ammunition. The fact that there is zero such efforts visible leads me to the conclusion that Modi just doesn't give a fuck. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_...
  - throwaway_434 1y ago
    > The fact that there is zero such efforts visible leads me to the conclusion that Modi just doesn't give a fuck. Modi cares about Indians more than he cares about US citizens. Indians come first. Just like Trump cares about US citizens more than he cares about Indian citizens. So when it comes to protecting Indians from scammers in Kolkata, West Bengal and other islamo-commie places Modi Government has done an excellent job. We get regular messages warning us against scams and even educating us on how these scams work. Why doesn't Modi warn US or prevent it from targeting Western citizens? Because Modi has bigger things to worry about when it comes to India itself. If Trump personally asks Modi, then yes there will be a change (depending on how Trump reciprocates for that gesture, especially considering US has back-stabbed India too many times to even count, Modi will be weary). > Particularly when the state in question is run by the opposition, I would expect the federal government party to use this as political ammunition. And then what? Western institutions demonize Modi and fund regime change operations in India with their unlimited wealth? Modi won't fall into that trap. If your Governments were not so prolific in regime change operations and interfering politically in other Countries, we would have definitely done a lot to fix this issue. Right now, for any non-Western Government, it is like walking on eggshells. We never know what might piss you guys off (even if the step is in your favor) and you unleash your regime change ops in our Country. The best example that comes to my mind is India sending thousands of deportation requests for wanted criminals, terrorists and gangsters who have taken shelter in Canada, US, UK and Australia. Most of those deportation requests were rejected by your Governments. Guess who these scammers work under? Yep you guessed it right! These very same criminals, gangsters, terrorists who have found refuge in your Country. There is a lot I can unpack. But I have only provided you with what is the tip of the iceberg.
geodel 1y ago
Ironically or not but I'd imagine Trump would be appropriate person to give a proper dressing down to Modi via Truth Social if not through official channels. As in past, the future US dispensation would be far more more decent to disturb peacock like dancing Modi.

throwaway48476 1y ago

Scamming is a large fraction of GDP in some countries.

throwawayoldie 1y ago

> it is high time that our governments follow the money and the scammers I suspect the reason they don't is many of them know that following the money will lead right to their own front doors.

coredog64 1y ago

Every dollar in scam damages verified by the FBI is one fewer work visa for anyone from that country. India is now in a hole of 1 billion (or 10,000 lakhs) work visas, and the latter are more valuable than scams.

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SapporoChris 1y ago

https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/ https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/ The US GDP is more than 27 trillion. If 158 billion is being lost. That's about .6% of the GDP. So, my question is, why does this have to stop? If it is stopped the benefits to the global population seems trivial. I'm sure at the individual level it is devastating. Good luck getting the national government to care about such a small percent.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
This is not a good financial analysis. Nearly any mature company would absolutely pursue 0.6% in cost reduction. That is a huge, juicy target.
jgeada 1y ago
Because scams destroy trust in institutions, and trust in US institutions is already worryingly low. Without trust in institutions the system collapses.
bikecuck2 1y ago
"The total happiness in the world increased"

_zagj 1y ago

It's strange how some of these countries don't take action on their own behalf, if only to preserve their international reputation and the reputation of their citizens abroad. India is a great example. Do Indians not realize how much damage they've done to their reputation by allowing scam call centers to flourish? Are they not aware of > DO NOT REDEEM Imagine Americans living in small towns with few to no Indians, and their only association with Indian accents is someone trying to steal their (or their parents' or granparents') money. EDIT: seatac76, your reply got shadowed; perhaps your entire account. Not sure why.

keutoi 1y ago
_Allowing scam call centers to flourish_. How much control does an average citizen have over these criminal enterprises? Does an average US citizen know/care/take-action when mercenaries from their country topple governments of other countries? As long as the crime is not visible, they just enjoy fruits of their crimes.
- _zagj 1y ago
  > How much control does an average citizen have over these criminal enterprises? My point was about the government. This phenomenon is large enough that I'm shocked it hasn't openly caused a diplomatic rift between the US and India, and New Delhi should have a vested interested in combating it. > when mercenaries from their country topple governments of other countries What "mercenaries" are you referring to?
  - throwaway_434 1y ago
    > This phenomenon is large enough that I'm shocked it hasn't openly caused a diplomatic rift between the US and India, and New Delhi should have a vested interested in combating it. It is only large enough to you probably. India has been sanctioned by US in the 90s for doing reciprocal nuclear tests (after China detonated its bomb) and suffered billions of dollars in trade. US gained nothing from the sanctions except to push India into more poverty. It ended up being counter-productive. Even now Trump is threatening India with billions of dollars in trade sanctions that far outweighs anything caused by scams (if you take absolute numbers). > What "mercenaries" are you referring to? The CIA is currently fuelling and instigating Manipur riots in India by supplying arms and ammunitions to Kuki narco-terrorists. Prior to this we had USAID that was influencing electoral politics within India. Apart from that, we just witnessed regime change operations in Bangladesh where Pro-India Shiekh Hasina was toppled for a Pro-US Jihadi Muhammad Yunus. All of these run the US taxpayers in hundreds of billions of dollars. Far more than any scam conducted by Indian call centers. For an average US citizen, sure it feels like a lot, since you guys are at the receiving end. But since you mentioned why US Government is not bringing this up, it is because it pales in comparison to what US Government has done to India over the past 7 decades. India can bring up a lot of counterpoints that will only cause US diplomats to shut up. We haven't even touched on killing of our nuclear scientists. Too many skeletons in their closet.

commandlinefan 1y ago

> Sanction the source countries According to the article, this is originating in China - we're sanctioning them pretty hard as it is, and they don't seem to care that much.

throwaway48476 1y ago
Usually Chinese but not located in China proper.
mschuster91 1y ago
There's more scammers than just Myanmar, North Korea and China, that's why I explicitly mentioned Scammer Payback - he almost exclusively targets Indian scammers and even learned Hindi to understand the background talks of scammers.

throwaway_434 1y ago

> And yes, I'd like particularly Narendra Modi to kneel Umm you are targeting the wrong person here. Majority of the scam call centers come from West Bengal, particularly Kolkata. Which is headed by Chief Minister Mamta Banerjee. India has a federal structure, with cooperation between Center and States. Similar to USA. Modi just can't invade Kolkata using Indian Armed Forces and dismantle the operations without facing significant legal challenges in the Supreme Court of India. West Bengal is a islamo-commie state. Nearly impossible to flip the state electorally for BJP to win (Narendra Modi heads BJP). The state is a stronghold of Mamta Banerjee who heads the TMC party. She came to power after nearly 4 decades of Communist rule.

mschuster91 1y ago
First of all, I didn't downvote you, and you provide valuable context, so if the downvoters would care to explain why I would be very happy. > India has a federal structure, with cooperation between Center and States. Similar to USA. Modi just can't invade Kolkata using Indian Armed Forces and dismantle the operations without facing significant legal challenges in the Supreme Court of India. There are ways in any federal system to force the cooperation of unwilling states. The US, infamously, threatened to withhold federal highway funding unless states raised the minimum drinking age to 21. The federal government could also be transparent about hints of scammers they get and explain why the scammers are not being targeted. Particularly when the state in question is run by the opposition, I would expect the federal government party to use this as political ammunition. The fact that there is zero such efforts visible leads me to the conclusion that Modi just doesn't give a fuck. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Drinking_Age_...
- throwaway_434 1y ago
  > The fact that there is zero such efforts visible leads me to the conclusion that Modi just doesn't give a fuck. Modi cares about Indians more than he cares about US citizens. Indians come first. Just like Trump cares about US citizens more than he cares about Indian citizens. So when it comes to protecting Indians from scammers in Kolkata, West Bengal and other islamo-commie places Modi Government has done an excellent job. We get regular messages warning us against scams and even educating us on how these scams work. Why doesn't Modi warn US or prevent it from targeting Western citizens? Because Modi has bigger things to worry about when it comes to India itself. If Trump personally asks Modi, then yes there will be a change (depending on how Trump reciprocates for that gesture, especially considering US has back-stabbed India too many times to even count, Modi will be weary). > Particularly when the state in question is run by the opposition, I would expect the federal government party to use this as political ammunition. And then what? Western institutions demonize Modi and fund regime change operations in India with their unlimited wealth? Modi won't fall into that trap. If your Governments were not so prolific in regime change operations and interfering politically in other Countries, we would have definitely done a lot to fix this issue. Right now, for any non-Western Government, it is like walking on eggshells. We never know what might piss you guys off (even if the step is in your favor) and you unleash your regime change ops in our Country. The best example that comes to my mind is India sending thousands of deportation requests for wanted criminals, terrorists and gangsters who have taken shelter in Canada, US, UK and Australia. Most of those deportation requests were rejected by your Governments. Guess who these scammers work under? Yep you guessed it right! These very same criminals, gangsters, terrorists who have found refuge in your Country. There is a lot I can unpack. But I have only provided you with what is the tip of the iceberg.

geodel 1y ago

Ironically or not but I'd imagine Trump would be appropriate person to give a proper dressing down to Modi via Truth Social if not through official channels. As in past, the future US dispensation would be far more more decent to disturb peacock like dancing Modi.