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Google is fumbling the bag so badly with the pricing. Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best model I've used (even better than o3 IMO) and yet there's no simple Claude/Cur

Google is fumbling the bag so badly with the pricing. Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best model I've used (even better than o3 IMO) and yet there's no simple Claude/Cursor like subscription to just get full access. Nevermind Enterprise users too, where OpenAI has it locked up.

llm_nerd 1y ago
I wouldn't dream of thinking anyone has anything "locked up". Certainly not OpenAI which increasingly seems to be on an uphill battle against competitors (including Microsoft who even though they're a partner, are also a competitor) who have other inroads. Not sure what you mean by "full access", as none of the providers offer unrestricted usage. Pro gets you 2.5 Pro with usage limits. Ultra gets you higher limits + deep think (edit: accidentally put research when I meant think where it spends more resources on an answer) + much more Veo 3 usage. And of course you can use the API usage-billed model.
- tmoertel 1y ago
  The Gemini Pro subscription includes Deep Research and Veo 3; you don't need the pricey Ultra subscription: https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/
  - magic_hamster 1y ago
    Veo 3 is available only in some regions even for Pro users.
- Spooky23 1y ago
  In the enterprise space, Microsoft’s pain is OpenAI’s gain. They are kicking butt. In enterprises, Microsoft’s value proposition is that you’re leveraging all of the controls that you already have! Except… who is happy with the state of SharePoint governance?
  - willy_k 1y ago
    You don’t have to be happy with it. If Microsoft already has all your data it’s much easier to trust them for AI than to add another entity into the equation, especially OpenAI.
bachmeier 1y ago
> Google is fumbling the bag so badly with the pricing. In certain areas, perhaps, but Google Workspace at $14/month not only gives you Gemini Pro, but 2 TB of storage, full privacy, email with a custom domain, and whatever else. College students get the AI pro plan for free. I recently looked over all the options for folks like me and my family. Google is obviously the right choice, and it's not particularly close.
- weird-eye-issue 1y ago
  And yet there were still some AI features that were unavailable to workspace users for a few months and you had to use a personal account. I think it's mostly fixed now but that was quite annoying since it was their main AI product (Gemini Studio or whatever, I don't remember for sure)
- Fluorescence 1y ago
  Only "NetworkLM" and "Chat with AI in the Gemini app" in the UK even with "Enterprise Plus". I assume that is not Pro.
- safety1st 1y ago
  I know they raised the price on our Google Workspace Standard subscriptions but don't really know what we got for that aside from Gemini integration into Google Drive etc. Does this mean I can use Gemini CLI using my Workspace entitlement? Do I get Code Assist or anything like that? (But Code Assist seems to be free on a personal G account...?) Google is fumbling with the marketing/communication - when I look at their stuff I am unclear on what is even available and what I already have, so I can't form an opinion about the price!
  - thimabi 1y ago
    > Does this mean I can use Gemini CLI using my Workspace entitlement? No, you cannot use neither Gemini CLI nor Code Assist via Workspace — at least not at the moment. However, if you upgrade your Workspace plan, you can use Gemini Advanced via the Web or app interfaces.
bcrosby95 1y ago
They're 'fumbling' because these models are extremely expensive to run. It's also why there's so many products and so much confusion across the whole industry.
- thimabi 1y ago
  An interesting thing is that Google AI offers are much more confusing than the OpenAI ones — despite the fact that ChatGPT models have one of the worst naming schemes in the industry. Google has confusing model names, plans, API tiers, and even interfaces (AI Studio, Gemini app, Gemini Web, Gemini API, Vertex, Google Cloud, Code Assist, etc.). More often than not, these things overlap with one another, ensuring minimal clarity and preventing widespread usage of Google’s models.
Xmd5a 1y ago
>Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best model It's the second time I read this in this thread. May I ask why you think this is the case? And in which domains? I am very satisfied with 2.5 pro when it comes to philosophical/literary analysis, probably because of the super long context I can fill with whole books, and wanted to try Claude Code for the same purpose, but with folders, summaries, etc to make up for the shorter context length.
- GardenLetter27 1y ago
  I've just found it to be the best in practice, especially for more complicated debugging with code. But also for text review on posts, etc. Before Claude had the edge with agentic coding at least, but now even that is slipping.
- Davidzheng 1y ago
  I think it's at least equal best at research math.
Davidzheng 1y ago
Just go on AI Studio?

llm_nerd 1y ago

I wouldn't dream of thinking anyone has anything "locked up". Certainly not OpenAI which increasingly seems to be on an uphill battle against competitors (including Microsoft who even though they're a partner, are also a competitor) who have other inroads. Not sure what you mean by "full access", as none of the providers offer unrestricted usage. Pro gets you 2.5 Pro with usage limits. Ultra gets you higher limits + deep think (edit: accidentally put research when I meant think where it spends more resources on an answer) + much more Veo 3 usage. And of course you can use the API usage-billed model.

tmoertel 1y ago
The Gemini Pro subscription includes Deep Research and Veo 3; you don't need the pricey Ultra subscription: https://gemini.google/subscriptions/ https://gemini.google/subscriptions/
- magic_hamster 1y ago
  Veo 3 is available only in some regions even for Pro users.
Spooky23 1y ago
In the enterprise space, Microsoft’s pain is OpenAI’s gain. They are kicking butt. In enterprises, Microsoft’s value proposition is that you’re leveraging all of the controls that you already have! Except… who is happy with the state of SharePoint governance?
- willy_k 1y ago
  You don’t have to be happy with it. If Microsoft already has all your data it’s much easier to trust them for AI than to add another entity into the equation, especially OpenAI.

bachmeier 1y ago

> Google is fumbling the bag so badly with the pricing. In certain areas, perhaps, but Google Workspace at $14/month not only gives you Gemini Pro, but 2 TB of storage, full privacy, email with a custom domain, and whatever else. College students get the AI pro plan for free. I recently looked over all the options for folks like me and my family. Google is obviously the right choice, and it's not particularly close.

weird-eye-issue 1y ago
And yet there were still some AI features that were unavailable to workspace users for a few months and you had to use a personal account. I think it's mostly fixed now but that was quite annoying since it was their main AI product (Gemini Studio or whatever, I don't remember for sure)
Fluorescence 1y ago
Only "NetworkLM" and "Chat with AI in the Gemini app" in the UK even with "Enterprise Plus". I assume that is not Pro.
safety1st 1y ago
I know they raised the price on our Google Workspace Standard subscriptions but don't really know what we got for that aside from Gemini integration into Google Drive etc. Does this mean I can use Gemini CLI using my Workspace entitlement? Do I get Code Assist or anything like that? (But Code Assist seems to be free on a personal G account...?) Google is fumbling with the marketing/communication - when I look at their stuff I am unclear on what is even available and what I already have, so I can't form an opinion about the price!
- thimabi 1y ago
  > Does this mean I can use Gemini CLI using my Workspace entitlement? No, you cannot use neither Gemini CLI nor Code Assist via Workspace — at least not at the moment. However, if you upgrade your Workspace plan, you can use Gemini Advanced via the Web or app interfaces.

bcrosby95 1y ago

They're 'fumbling' because these models are extremely expensive to run. It's also why there's so many products and so much confusion across the whole industry.

thimabi 1y ago
An interesting thing is that Google AI offers are much more confusing than the OpenAI ones — despite the fact that ChatGPT models have one of the worst naming schemes in the industry. Google has confusing model names, plans, API tiers, and even interfaces (AI Studio, Gemini app, Gemini Web, Gemini API, Vertex, Google Cloud, Code Assist, etc.). More often than not, these things overlap with one another, ensuring minimal clarity and preventing widespread usage of Google’s models.

Xmd5a 1y ago

>Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best model It's the second time I read this in this thread. May I ask why you think this is the case? And in which domains? I am very satisfied with 2.5 pro when it comes to philosophical/literary analysis, probably because of the super long context I can fill with whole books, and wanted to try Claude Code for the same purpose, but with folders, summaries, etc to make up for the shorter context length.

GardenLetter27 1y ago
I've just found it to be the best in practice, especially for more complicated debugging with code. But also for text review on posts, etc. Before Claude had the edge with agentic coding at least, but now even that is slipping.
Davidzheng 1y ago
I think it's at least equal best at research math.

Davidzheng 1y ago

Just go on AI Studio?