with all due respect but what does this mean? we can either "all know" or we can all not have a clue and have our own "visions" of the correct form, both of the

with all due respect but what does this mean? we can either "all know" or we can all not have a clue and have our own "visions" of the correct form, both of these are complete opposites. decades of building garbage-barely-working forms is a proof that we just do not know (much like we (generally) don't know how to center a div on the page so once-per-year, without fail, top story on HN is "how to center a div" :) ).