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>this is going to escalate the conflict. Sure, if by "this" you mean media and a segment of the population harping on how the strike did little or nothing. Af

>this is going to escalate the conflict. Sure, if by "this" you mean media and a segment of the population harping on how the strike did little or nothing. After the strike and before this reporting Israel could justify deescalation by saying the nuclear program was crippled and Iran could justify deescalation by acting like it was no big deal and they lobbed counter strikes to great effect (lol) and the US could justify deescalation with the usual "look what happens to brown foreigners who cross us and our buddies" schtick and from there the matter could be quietly dropped, at least as much as such things can be. That may all still happen, but all this rhetoric about how the strikes were ineffective is driving things toward escalation.

nkrisc 1y ago
But is it true?
lantry 1y ago
The media is reporting the world as it is, not the world as it should be. It's not their job to de-escalate. Kinda silly IMO to blame the people writing articles instead of blaming the people dropping bombs and launching missiles.
- mingus88 1y ago
  > The media is reporting the world as it is Do you honestly believe this?
  - lantry 1y ago
    no, because it's much more complicated than can be summed up in a hn comment. "the media" is not a real thing, it's just a term that refers vaguely to a very large collection of different people, each of whom has different beliefs, ideas, and goals. What they write/say will be filtered through those beliefs, ideas, and goals. If my neighbor, who grew up in Canada, says "it's not very cold out today", he is attempting to describe the world as it is. Is he correct? If I consider him to be incorrect, it doesn't follow that he is trying to mislead me.
    - tfandango 1y ago
      I agree with you, while it is complicated, news organizations should and are reporting the facts (we are discussing them here). I think some people in "media" are probably using hot-button adjectives to get at Trump, and to his discredit it seems to be working.
  - oezi 1y ago
    As somebody who knows a lot of journalists I can report that I haven't met any journalist who spilled the beans on that cabal who conspires to report on a false world. I have heard them talk so negatively on the owners and chief editors of populist media such as Murdock, Berlusconi, Springer that I have just cut them completely out of my news consumption.
- kcplate 1y ago
  I’d sure like to know what you are reading and watching that has caused you to form this conclusion. Almost every national or international report I see and read has a distinct narrative threaded through it. Just look at descriptives and word choice. “ICE Barbie” etc…
  - lantry 1y ago
    I have seen the term "ICE barbie" on social media, but I don't consider that a credible source. Obviously everything you hear from someone else, whether it's published in the newspaper or a passing comment from your neighbor, it's going to be filtered through their ideas, beliefs, and goals. Some people have a goal to communicate accurately and limit their bias. Other people find it more important to get ad clicks or upvotes.
    - kcplate 1y ago
      There are a lot of what I would call left leaning news sites that only refer to Krist Noem by that name. Not just social media. Just do a google search for the phrase and qualify it with news results only. Lots and lots of well known news outlets are using it regularly to refer to her. I am not saying this is a one-sided thing only on the left. It’s on the other side too. The “ICE Barbie” was the most obvious recent example that I have been seeing.
      - trust_bt_verify 1y ago
        Care to provide some sources for these wild statements? Got an AP article where they use that as her name? Maybe we just have a different definition of credible news sources.
        kcplate 1y ago
        Just do what what I said. Google the term, limit it to “news”. See the sources using it and see if they are well known and are considered “credible” on your opinion. What you will see is msn, nj.com, telegraph, yahoo news, TNR, metro.co.uk, Toronto Sun, New York Sun using it
0xbadcafebee 1y ago
Trump's goal is just to prop up his base, like any normal politician. He dropped a big bomb, made a big announcement, his base will be happy. Netanyahu's goal is to either occupy or destroy the Islamic world. He's smart enough to know he has to do it in baby steps. He's been working the long game on this for decades. So he'll notch this up as a win, and already be working on his next plan. I don't see an imminent escalation, unless Iran itself escalates things (in ways other than economic)
- kcplate 1y ago
  > His base will be happy No…Trump’s base didn’t want this. They might not pull back support if the deescalation holds (because he is scratching their other itches) but the MAGA base are definitely not excited about more war and conflict for the US. MAGA is not neocon.
  - dinfinity 1y ago
    MAGA is whatever the fuck Donald Trump tells them to be. Hypocrisy or inconsistency have already never stopped the Republican party and they will most certainly not stop the most extreme version of it. - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-posts-bomb-iran-parody-song-with-video-of-bombers/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-posts-bom... - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114740882500667664 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1147408825006...
    - kcplate 1y ago
      Hypocrisy is rampant in both parties and if you believe beyond his most extreme base that Trump’s whims control the bulk of the people who voted for him, I’d say you dont know many Trump voters. Almost every Trump voter I know voted for him as the lesser of two evils.
      - oezi 1y ago
        From a European perspective you have one party which is completely delusional and another party which seems unable to capitalize on that. How anybody can consider voting for Trump as a lesser evil is just incomprehensible.
ourmandave 1y ago
After the strike and before this reporting Israel could justify de-escalation by saying the nuclear program was crippled... Except Netanyahu doesn't appear to want to de-escalate. And has a long history of repeatedly declaring Iran is only X weeks away from a practical nuke to justify immediate strikes.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  Netanyahu can want whatever he wants but a "serious" war with Iran is not within the practicalities of his domestic political situation unless someone else (the US) is picking up the tab.
twixfel 1y ago
If the rhetoric is actually true then it’s not just rhetoric and things will escalate regardless based on the facts on the ground. If it’s not true then yes you would have a point, maybe.

nkrisc 1y ago

But is it true?

lantry 1y ago

The media is reporting the world as it is, not the world as it should be. It's not their job to de-escalate. Kinda silly IMO to blame the people writing articles instead of blaming the people dropping bombs and launching missiles.

mingus88 1y ago
> The media is reporting the world as it is Do you honestly believe this?
- lantry 1y ago
  no, because it's much more complicated than can be summed up in a hn comment. "the media" is not a real thing, it's just a term that refers vaguely to a very large collection of different people, each of whom has different beliefs, ideas, and goals. What they write/say will be filtered through those beliefs, ideas, and goals. If my neighbor, who grew up in Canada, says "it's not very cold out today", he is attempting to describe the world as it is. Is he correct? If I consider him to be incorrect, it doesn't follow that he is trying to mislead me.
  - tfandango 1y ago
    I agree with you, while it is complicated, news organizations should and are reporting the facts (we are discussing them here). I think some people in "media" are probably using hot-button adjectives to get at Trump, and to his discredit it seems to be working.
- oezi 1y ago
  As somebody who knows a lot of journalists I can report that I haven't met any journalist who spilled the beans on that cabal who conspires to report on a false world. I have heard them talk so negatively on the owners and chief editors of populist media such as Murdock, Berlusconi, Springer that I have just cut them completely out of my news consumption.
kcplate 1y ago
I’d sure like to know what you are reading and watching that has caused you to form this conclusion. Almost every national or international report I see and read has a distinct narrative threaded through it. Just look at descriptives and word choice. “ICE Barbie” etc…
- lantry 1y ago
  I have seen the term "ICE barbie" on social media, but I don't consider that a credible source. Obviously everything you hear from someone else, whether it's published in the newspaper or a passing comment from your neighbor, it's going to be filtered through their ideas, beliefs, and goals. Some people have a goal to communicate accurately and limit their bias. Other people find it more important to get ad clicks or upvotes.
  - kcplate 1y ago
    There are a lot of what I would call left leaning news sites that only refer to Krist Noem by that name. Not just social media. Just do a google search for the phrase and qualify it with news results only. Lots and lots of well known news outlets are using it regularly to refer to her. I am not saying this is a one-sided thing only on the left. It’s on the other side too. The “ICE Barbie” was the most obvious recent example that I have been seeing.
    - trust_bt_verify 1y ago
      Care to provide some sources for these wild statements? Got an AP article where they use that as her name? Maybe we just have a different definition of credible news sources.
      - kcplate 1y ago
        Just do what what I said. Google the term, limit it to “news”. See the sources using it and see if they are well known and are considered “credible” on your opinion. What you will see is msn, nj.com, telegraph, yahoo news, TNR, metro.co.uk, Toronto Sun, New York Sun using it

0xbadcafebee 1y ago

Trump's goal is just to prop up his base, like any normal politician. He dropped a big bomb, made a big announcement, his base will be happy. Netanyahu's goal is to either occupy or destroy the Islamic world. He's smart enough to know he has to do it in baby steps. He's been working the long game on this for decades. So he'll notch this up as a win, and already be working on his next plan. I don't see an imminent escalation, unless Iran itself escalates things (in ways other than economic)

kcplate 1y ago
> His base will be happy No…Trump’s base didn’t want this. They might not pull back support if the deescalation holds (because he is scratching their other itches) but the MAGA base are definitely not excited about more war and conflict for the US. MAGA is not neocon.
- dinfinity 1y ago
  MAGA is whatever the fuck Donald Trump tells them to be. Hypocrisy or inconsistency have already never stopped the Republican party and they will most certainly not stop the most extreme version of it. - https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-posts-bomb-iran-parody-song-with-video-of-bombers/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-posts-bom... - https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114740882500667664 https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/1147408825006...
  - kcplate 1y ago
    Hypocrisy is rampant in both parties and if you believe beyond his most extreme base that Trump’s whims control the bulk of the people who voted for him, I’d say you dont know many Trump voters. Almost every Trump voter I know voted for him as the lesser of two evils.
    - oezi 1y ago
      From a European perspective you have one party which is completely delusional and another party which seems unable to capitalize on that. How anybody can consider voting for Trump as a lesser evil is just incomprehensible.

ourmandave 1y ago

After the strike and before this reporting Israel could justify de-escalation by saying the nuclear program was crippled... Except Netanyahu doesn't appear to want to de-escalate. And has a long history of repeatedly declaring Iran is only X weeks away from a practical nuke to justify immediate strikes.

potato3732842 1y ago
Netanyahu can want whatever he wants but a "serious" war with Iran is not within the practicalities of his domestic political situation unless someone else (the US) is picking up the tab.

twixfel 1y ago

If the rhetoric is actually true then it’s not just rhetoric and things will escalate regardless based on the facts on the ground. If it’s not true then yes you would have a point, maybe.