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Schleswig-Holstein and Thuringia are switching to OpenTalk for teleconference. It's really wild to see things actually happen - not just research grants and tal

by tormeh 1y ago

Schleswig-Holstein and Thuringia are switching to OpenTalk for teleconference. It's really wild to see things actually happen - not just research grants and talking.

v5v3 1y ago
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- mass_and_energy 1y ago
  GIYF
  - v5v3 1y ago
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eigenspace 1y ago
It's *almost* like those research grants and talking laid some groundwork ;)
- notarobot123 1y ago
  sure, but international politics was probably a little more than the straw that broke the camel's back.
hyperman1 1y ago
I noticed a similar thing as an European with COVID. Noise from a new disease came from China, so everybody is a bit scared and does nothing. Then Italy got the full blast of it, overloaded hospitals and all. This somehow made it real. People in our ingroup were suffering. At that point, governements got actively involved. The Microsoft vs ICC situation seems similar. IT independence is now taken serious at governemental organisations. Our ingroup got a problem.
- netsharc 1y ago
  I wonder if it's because of the ICC, or in general because suddenly US cloud providers ended up in the same category of Chinese cloud providers: under the regime of a ruler and subservient "parliament" who can make a new rule as they wish...
sigmoid10 1y ago
Munich switched to Linux in 2012. But they switched back to Microsoft in 2020 because they never could get it to work completely. At least not to the level of comfort in the old system. Open source has its advantages, but MS dominates the business world because of its tech support that is truly second to none on that scale. If Europe wants independence, they need to support local businesses and not just technology.
- imjonse 1y ago
  Tech support is clearly very important but I have a hard time believing there wasn't a great amount of lobbying involved as well.
  - sigmoid10 1y ago
    There was, but not from Microsoft. It was the employees who were not happy with the new systems.
    - sublimefire 1y ago
      Employees do not participate in the procurement process. It boils down to the requirements and how does it affect possible bidders. Most of the requirements can be easily met with OSS, there were prob others plus the drop of the price from MS
      - sigmoid10 1y ago
        This shows total disregard for the reality of the workplace. You can't shove 30,000 linux PCs onto boomer government workers and expect things to work like magic. It was a catastrophe. Especially since they no longer had the same level of tech support. The majority of them weren't even fully onboarded by the time they switched back to Windows.
  - guappa 1y ago
    According to the former major, bill gates went all the way there and asked for a private meeting. Although at the time he was officially no longer actively involved with microsoft.

by tormeh 1y ago

Schleswig-Holstein and Thuringia are switching to OpenTalk for teleconference. It's really wild to see things actually happen - not just research grants and talking.

v5v3 1y ago

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mass_and_energy 1y ago
GIYF
- v5v3 1y ago
  [flagged]

eigenspace 1y ago

It's *almost* like those research grants and talking laid some groundwork ;)

notarobot123 1y ago
sure, but international politics was probably a little more than the straw that broke the camel's back.

hyperman1 1y ago

I noticed a similar thing as an European with COVID. Noise from a new disease came from China, so everybody is a bit scared and does nothing. Then Italy got the full blast of it, overloaded hospitals and all. This somehow made it real. People in our ingroup were suffering. At that point, governements got actively involved. The Microsoft vs ICC situation seems similar. IT independence is now taken serious at governemental organisations. Our ingroup got a problem.

netsharc 1y ago
I wonder if it's because of the ICC, or in general because suddenly US cloud providers ended up in the same category of Chinese cloud providers: under the regime of a ruler and subservient "parliament" who can make a new rule as they wish...

sigmoid10 1y ago

Munich switched to Linux in 2012. But they switched back to Microsoft in 2020 because they never could get it to work completely. At least not to the level of comfort in the old system. Open source has its advantages, but MS dominates the business world because of its tech support that is truly second to none on that scale. If Europe wants independence, they need to support local businesses and not just technology.

imjonse 1y ago
Tech support is clearly very important but I have a hard time believing there wasn't a great amount of lobbying involved as well.
- sigmoid10 1y ago
  There was, but not from Microsoft. It was the employees who were not happy with the new systems.
  - sublimefire 1y ago
    Employees do not participate in the procurement process. It boils down to the requirements and how does it affect possible bidders. Most of the requirements can be easily met with OSS, there were prob others plus the drop of the price from MS
    - sigmoid10 1y ago
      This shows total disregard for the reality of the workplace. You can't shove 30,000 linux PCs onto boomer government workers and expect things to work like magic. It was a catastrophe. Especially since they no longer had the same level of tech support. The majority of them weren't even fully onboarded by the time they switched back to Windows.
- guappa 1y ago
  According to the former major, bill gates went all the way there and asked for a private meeting. Although at the time he was officially no longer actively involved with microsoft.