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European alternatives are expensive, and half of Chinese no-name brands will disappear next decade (good luck servicing such a car). Regarding Chinese brands, t
by kmac_ 1y ago
European alternatives are expensive, and half of Chinese no-name brands will disappear next decade (good luck servicing such a car). Regarding Chinese brands, they are crash tested by C-NCAP, not Euro NCAP, and somehow every model gets 5 stars. No, thank you.
- tossandthrow 1y agoWhat no name brands? BYD is as old as Tesla (2003) and XPeng is more than 10 years old at this point.
- kmac_ 1y agoBYD is actually well established. But there are dozens of Chinese car brands right now on the European market, simply, there's too much competition, many of them will leave.
- tossandthrow 1y agoDo you care to name just a few of those dozens? Bringing a car on the market is quite regulated, so if you don't have adequate capital, it is really difficult to bring a new car to market in the EU.
- kmac_ 1y agoSure, two dozens, sorted by most popular. Half of them will be gone: MG, BYD, ORA, Haval, Omoda, Lynk & Co, NIO, Xpeng, Zeekr, Maxus, Leapmotor, Hongqi, Aiways, Chery, Jaecoo, BAIC, Forthing, DFSK, Seres, Voyah, SWM, JAC, Bestune, Skywell
- ZeroGravitas 1y agoJust like VW, Seat, Skoda, Cupra etc many of these are sub brands. Omoda is Chery for example. MG and Maxus are both SAIC. Haval and ORA are Great Wall. A diagram as of 2024: https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D4D22AQE4uiRLMqkneQ/feedshare-shrink_800/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1721123994239?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=-RgfvL1gogpPwdSLVrNAZEJ8nN_pCtF4H1o98JWS1Ow https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/v2/D4D22AQE4uiRLMqkneQ/fee...
- beAbU 1y agoYou forgot Volvo
- palata 1y agoIsn't Volvo Swedish?
- debian3 1y agoThe two biggest is BYD and Geely. Pretty much the Toyota/Honda of China.
- danaris 1y agoTo many Americans, Chinese brands don't count as "name brands". They're the knock-off generics that you get if you don't value the status that a "real" name brand gives you.
- dzhiurgis 1y agoThis. Koreans have far too many issues and Japanese are just making fun of themselves (albeit new Leaf finally might be decent).
- rsynnott 1y ago> European alternatives are expensive Just looking at a sampling of Irish prices across the low end (including grants): Tesla Model 3: min 37,500eur VW id.3 (European): min 31,780eur Dacia Spring (European/Chinese): 17,000eur Hyundai Inster (Korean): 20,000eur Like, certainly in terms of minimum entry price, Telsa's very much on the expensive end.
- moogly 1y ago> Regarding Chinese brands, they are crash tested by C-NCAP, not Euro NCAP Untrue. https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=54301,51097&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997,54278,54293&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ra...