> at the end of the day you either pay the fine or go to jail This is just not true. It's such a reductionist argument that it's nonsense. You either pay the

> at the end of the day you either pay the fine or go to jail This is just not true. It's such a reductionist argument that it's nonsense. You either pay the fine or ... they find a way to get the money outside of direct payment and if they can't because you have no assets or income then most often the fine goes unpaid, sometimes for many years. Jacob Blake and Charles Kinsey were Americans, right? Your society has a violence problem and I don't think ought to be used as any sort of example. If the initial claim was "enforcing any law may cost lives in a broken society in which the police can murder with seeming impunity" that's a very different proposition.