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> This isn't about religion: it's politics in religious clothing No true Scotsman.

by nailer 1y ago

handfuloflight 1y ago
Can't respond to my rebuttal about your own no true scotsman claim so you stick your nose into another thread. You are forming an obsession.
- nailer 1y ago
  But I claimed it first https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44347957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44347957 and you still haven’t rebutted it, as you know. This is just me noticing you did it again.
  - handfuloflight 1y ago
    I did rebut it. > Third, you preemptively accuse me of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but you're the one committing it. You claim "perpetrators of Islamic violence" cite these doctrines, but when pressed for specifics, you can't name them. That's you implying that a Muslim who doesn't commit violence isn't following the "real" Islam, which is literally the No True Scotsman fallacy you're projecting onto me.
    - nailer 1y ago
      But I have named the doctrines. Remember when we discussed your beliefs about fighting Jews at the end of time and traitorous bushes? You got very angry about it. There are many more but you should probably acknowledge this one. I didn’t need to do that. You say you’re an Islamic scholar so you should already be aware of this. I shouldn’t be needing to do research for you. And you still haven’t defended my original accusation that you repeatedly stated that followers of Islamic violence are somehow un-Islamic - this is a textbook no true Scotsman. > That's you implying that a Muslim who doesn't commit violence isn't following the "real" Islam No it isn’t. Many Muslims do not commit violence although Islam itself states it is a violent belief system. Most Christians eat shellfish.
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      - handfuloflight 1y ago
        I am not going to let you snake around. I can see the slithering. You have not demonstrated how you have brought any evidence that Islam calls for unrestricted violence against Jews or any people.
        nailer 1y ago
        But you do remember me mentioning your beliefs about fighting Jews at the end of time and traitorous bushes right? Here is a link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44351856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44351856 You specifically asked me to put up or shut up and I put up and then you got very angry about it. Surely you must remember?
        handfuloflight 1y ago
        How does that demonstrate that Islam sanctions unrestricted violence against Jews? Are you aware of what the term "unrestricted violence" means? Do you think that Jews are able to behave without impunity, and if the Muslims have cause to retaliate against them, that means that Islam sanctions unrestricted violence against Jews?
        nailer 1y ago
        So you do believe you will fight Jews at the end of time, but dispute that this is a call for unrestricted violence? Do you think it’s a call for… a more restricted violence? It is the end of time - I would assume your intentions are to really make it count. I believe anyone is allowed to behave as they reasonably want, including pointing out all the illness Islam has borne onto the world, for Muslims, for Jews, for Christians, for women, for journalists, for intellectuals and for everyone else. And you still haven’t responded to the original accusation of no true Scotsman.

> This isn't about religion: it's politics in religious clothing No true Scotsman.

by nailer 1y ago

> This isn't about religion: it's politics in religious clothing No true Scotsman.

Can't respond to my rebuttal about your own no true scotsman claim so you stick your nose into another thread. You are forming an obsession.

nailer 1y ago
But I claimed it first https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44347957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44347957 and you still haven’t rebutted it, as you know. This is just me noticing you did it again.
- handfuloflight 1y ago
  I did rebut it. > Third, you preemptively accuse me of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but you're the one committing it. You claim "perpetrators of Islamic violence" cite these doctrines, but when pressed for specifics, you can't name them. That's you implying that a Muslim who doesn't commit violence isn't following the "real" Islam, which is literally the No True Scotsman fallacy you're projecting onto me.
  - nailer 1y ago
    But I have named the doctrines. Remember when we discussed your beliefs about fighting Jews at the end of time and traitorous bushes? You got very angry about it. There are many more but you should probably acknowledge this one. I didn’t need to do that. You say you’re an Islamic scholar so you should already be aware of this. I shouldn’t be needing to do research for you. And you still haven’t defended my original accusation that you repeatedly stated that followers of Islamic violence are somehow un-Islamic - this is a textbook no true Scotsman. > That's you implying that a Muslim who doesn't commit violence isn't following the "real" Islam No it isn’t. Many Muslims do not commit violence although Islam itself states it is a violent belief system. Most Christians eat shellfish.
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    - handfuloflight 1y ago
      I am not going to let you snake around. I can see the slithering. You have not demonstrated how you have brought any evidence that Islam calls for unrestricted violence against Jews or any people.
      - nailer 1y ago
        But you do remember me mentioning your beliefs about fighting Jews at the end of time and traitorous bushes right? Here is a link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44351856 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44351856 You specifically asked me to put up or shut up and I put up and then you got very angry about it. Surely you must remember?
        handfuloflight 1y ago
        How does that demonstrate that Islam sanctions unrestricted violence against Jews? Are you aware of what the term "unrestricted violence" means? Do you think that Jews are able to behave without impunity, and if the Muslims have cause to retaliate against them, that means that Islam sanctions unrestricted violence against Jews?
        nailer 1y ago
        So you do believe you will fight Jews at the end of time, but dispute that this is a call for unrestricted violence? Do you think it’s a call for… a more restricted violence? It is the end of time - I would assume your intentions are to really make it count. I believe anyone is allowed to behave as they reasonably want, including pointing out all the illness Islam has borne onto the world, for Muslims, for Jews, for Christians, for women, for journalists, for intellectuals and for everyone else. And you still haven’t responded to the original accusation of no true Scotsman.