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Borders in particular are tricky things. You don't have any legal right to be admitted into a country that doesn't want you, and there is no due process that pr

Borders in particular are tricky things. You don't have any legal right to be admitted into a country that doesn't want you, and there is no due process that protects you. Warrants are not really a thing. So it really comes down to how friendly your countries are with each other and how much you are willing to put up with to get entry.

mingus88 1y ago
Yeah I am very pro-privacy and don’t agree that this is a choice between requiring warrants at the border or no searches at all. From a practical standpoint it’s completely unworkable to require an actual judge to evaluate every person coming in and out to issue or deny a warrant. The costs alone are staggering.
stego-tech 1y ago
That’s how it currently is, but now how it has always been or always will be. Never mistake the present for either the past or the future. That’s what I’m getting at, here. Folks are digging into the details of what’s in front of them instead of stepping back and looking at the bigger picture first.
- edanm 1y ago
  If the bigger picture includes completely changing the entire way the world works, the way countries work, how humans have always organized themselves, etc, then I think it makes sense that people are not looking at it because it is completely unrealistic and irrelevant. "Let's not discuss this specific government policy, because should governments even exist" is not very interesting.
  - account42 1y ago
    Holy strawman dude. You don't have to abolish the entire concept of governments in order to guarantee basic human rights at border crossings. Countries work out all kinds of shared minimum standards in international agreements. Which is why the guy in the article is wrong: > I don't feel there is any point in contacting the State Department, nor do I think they have any power against such a powerful and strict country as the United States That's exactly what he should have done if things happened as described and the Norwegian government should then take appropriate action.
    - edanm 1y ago
      Yes! You and I are in agreement. It was the parent to my comment that was suggesting otherwise.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    > how humans have always organized themselves Not even remotely the case

mingus88 1y ago

Yeah I am very pro-privacy and don’t agree that this is a choice between requiring warrants at the border or no searches at all. From a practical standpoint it’s completely unworkable to require an actual judge to evaluate every person coming in and out to issue or deny a warrant. The costs alone are staggering.

stego-tech 1y ago

That’s how it currently is, but now how it has always been or always will be. Never mistake the present for either the past or the future. That’s what I’m getting at, here. Folks are digging into the details of what’s in front of them instead of stepping back and looking at the bigger picture first.

edanm 1y ago
If the bigger picture includes completely changing the entire way the world works, the way countries work, how humans have always organized themselves, etc, then I think it makes sense that people are not looking at it because it is completely unrealistic and irrelevant. "Let's not discuss this specific government policy, because should governments even exist" is not very interesting.
- account42 1y ago
  Holy strawman dude. You don't have to abolish the entire concept of governments in order to guarantee basic human rights at border crossings. Countries work out all kinds of shared minimum standards in international agreements. Which is why the guy in the article is wrong: > I don't feel there is any point in contacting the State Department, nor do I think they have any power against such a powerful and strict country as the United States That's exactly what he should have done if things happened as described and the Norwegian government should then take appropriate action.
  - edanm 1y ago
    Yes! You and I are in agreement. It was the parent to my comment that was suggesting otherwise.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  > how humans have always organized themselves Not even remotely the case