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If they weren't planning on making nukes before, they for sure are now. Good job everyone involved! Just couldn't wait for diplomacy to play out.

KevinMS 1y ago
yea enriching uranium to weapons grade in a secrete underground lair indicates no intention of developing a nuclear weapon.
stronglikedan 1y ago
> Just couldn't wait for diplomacy to play out. For something to play out, it has to start. For something to start, someone has to start it. When no one is willing to start it, then it will never play out.
- unsnap_biceps 1y ago
  I'm sure that killing Iran's negotiator a few days before the negotiations were to take place helped deescalate the situation.
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  - tartoran 1y ago
    Wait, they killed the Iranian negociator?
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    - spit2wind 1y ago
      > Just two days before U.S.-Iran nuclear negotiations were set to begin, Israel assassinated the high-ranking Iranian official leading the talks https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-official-leading-nuclear-negotiation-with-trump-killed-by-israel-jeopardizing-breakthrough-deal/ar-AA1GGdyU https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-official-leadin...
- gtsop 1y ago
  > For something to play out, it has to start. For something to start, someone has to start it. When no one is willing to start it, then it will never play out. Very insightful, but the iranian minister had already started talks with the EU regarding the nukes[1], when Trump came in the bar and said "no you talk with us"[2]. So I don't know exactly the starting of what you're talking about. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/top-eu-diplomats-meeting-with-iran-over-israel-yields-hope-of-more-talks/ar-AA1H7Rao https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/t... [2] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/prospects-diplomacy-dim-after-trump-rejects-europes-efforts/story?id=123047091 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/prospects-diplomacy-dim-afte...
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unsnap_biceps 1y ago
This all happened due to Trump's killing of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Ac... in his first presidency.
mrtksn 1y ago
They for sure got determined making the bomb after the diplomatic solution was bombed by Trump in his previous term. IIRC, Iran appeared to comply with the terms of the agreement and once that was out of the window they no longer complied.
- bitsage 1y ago
  Iran was hiding nuclear material during the duration JCPOA was active. They were declared in violation of the NPT by the IAEA recently for actions undertaken between 2009-2018.
  - mrtksn 1y ago
    You're right that the IAEA has indeed pointed to Iran's past undeclared nuclear material and activities, leading to NPT safeguard violations for the 2009-2018 period. However, it's also important to distinguish between those historical undeclared issues and the specific JCPOA compliance. For the duration it was active and before the US withdrawal, the IAEA consistently verified that Iran was adhering to its JCPOA commitments regarding its declared program. The argument is often that while those past issues were concerning, the JCPOA still provided a robust framework for monitoring Iran's active program, which was then dismantled
    - bitsage 1y ago
      Iran was objectively not in compliance though [1]. The IAEA just didn’t know they weren’t so they gave Iran a seal of approval. Israel had always claimed that Iran was hiding material, which convinced Trump to leave the JCPOA, but the IAEA could only corroborate it later. Perhaps we should be making the argument that Trump shouldn’t have only gonna off of Israeli intel, but he ended up being correct that Iran wasn’t correctly reporting their enrichment stockpile, which was a provision of JCPOA. The reason why JCPOA wasn’t revived is actually because of Iran refusing to cooperate about what they did with the undeclared nuclear material. 1. https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-25.pdf https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-25.pd...
h4ck_th3_pl4n3t 1y ago
Trump peddled back from the contract and negotiations of nuclear disarmament in his first term. So yeah, it plays out exactly like he wanted it to be. Create enemy yourself, declare martial law, no re-election necessary. Easy as pie.
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KevinMS 1y ago

yea enriching uranium to weapons grade in a secrete underground lair indicates no intention of developing a nuclear weapon.

stronglikedan 1y ago

> Just couldn't wait for diplomacy to play out. For something to play out, it has to start. For something to start, someone has to start it. When no one is willing to start it, then it will never play out.

unsnap_biceps 1y ago
I'm sure that killing Iran's negotiator a few days before the negotiations were to take place helped deescalate the situation.
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- tartoran 1y ago
  Wait, they killed the Iranian negociator?
  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
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  - spit2wind 1y ago
    > Just two days before U.S.-Iran nuclear negotiations were set to begin, Israel assassinated the high-ranking Iranian official leading the talks https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-official-leading-nuclear-negotiation-with-trump-killed-by-israel-jeopardizing-breakthrough-deal/ar-AA1GGdyU https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iranian-official-leadin...
gtsop 1y ago
> For something to play out, it has to start. For something to start, someone has to start it. When no one is willing to start it, then it will never play out. Very insightful, but the iranian minister had already started talks with the EU regarding the nukes[1], when Trump came in the bar and said "no you talk with us"[2]. So I don't know exactly the starting of what you're talking about. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/top-eu-diplomats-meeting-with-iran-over-israel-yields-hope-of-more-talks/ar-AA1H7Rao https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/t... [2] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/prospects-diplomacy-dim-after-trump-rejects-europes-efforts/story?id=123047091 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/prospects-diplomacy-dim-afte...
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unsnap_biceps 1y ago

This all happened due to Trump's killing of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Ac... in his first presidency.

mrtksn 1y ago

They for sure got determined making the bomb after the diplomatic solution was bombed by Trump in his previous term. IIRC, Iran appeared to comply with the terms of the agreement and once that was out of the window they no longer complied.

bitsage 1y ago
Iran was hiding nuclear material during the duration JCPOA was active. They were declared in violation of the NPT by the IAEA recently for actions undertaken between 2009-2018.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  You're right that the IAEA has indeed pointed to Iran's past undeclared nuclear material and activities, leading to NPT safeguard violations for the 2009-2018 period. However, it's also important to distinguish between those historical undeclared issues and the specific JCPOA compliance. For the duration it was active and before the US withdrawal, the IAEA consistently verified that Iran was adhering to its JCPOA commitments regarding its declared program. The argument is often that while those past issues were concerning, the JCPOA still provided a robust framework for monitoring Iran's active program, which was then dismantled
  - bitsage 1y ago
    Iran was objectively not in compliance though [1]. The IAEA just didn’t know they weren’t so they gave Iran a seal of approval. Israel had always claimed that Iran was hiding material, which convinced Trump to leave the JCPOA, but the IAEA could only corroborate it later. Perhaps we should be making the argument that Trump shouldn’t have only gonna off of Israeli intel, but he ended up being correct that Iran wasn’t correctly reporting their enrichment stockpile, which was a provision of JCPOA. The reason why JCPOA wasn’t revived is actually because of Iran refusing to cooperate about what they did with the undeclared nuclear material. 1. https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-25.pdf https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-25.pd...

h4ck_th3_pl4n3t 1y ago

Trump peddled back from the contract and negotiations of nuclear disarmament in his first term. So yeah, it plays out exactly like he wanted it to be. Create enemy yourself, declare martial law, no re-election necessary. Easy as pie.

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