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This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have

This story sounded a little suspicious, or at least incomplete. It never mentioned why he was singled out by the border agent. Also, ICE would probably not have been involved at all. I looked up the article in Norwegian Reddit and someone posted a link to this person's Youtube channel where he shoots guns and (apparently, as I don't speak the language) has made comments about the President. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68cjx7WTYtXGhC3rLD3N4A https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC68cjx7WTYtXGhC3rLD3N4A This could be the long arms of Palantir scanning social media and identifying him as a person of interest. But also interesting is the response that Norway's Ministry of Foreign Affairs put out (I checked, this was in response to his specific case): > Entry regulations can change at short notice, and it is the traveller's responsibility to have valid documents and be familiar with the current entry regulations. It is the immigration authorities upon arrival who decide whether you are rejected at the border. Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork.

mvdtnz 1y ago
It sounds like when an article is possibly incomplete you just invent your own facts to fill in the gaps.
snickerdoodle12 1y ago
> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork. Ok, so help him fill out the proper paper work. At which point does this justify strip searching and assaulting someone?
- legitster 1y ago
  Unfortunately, this is common practice at nearly every border crossing for nearly every country (including Norway).
  - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
    They might turn you around, but they're not going to beat you up and strip search you for not having the right papers.
    - Tadpole9181 1y ago
      Don't forget take his blood against his will!
    - legitster 1y ago
      https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/body-searches-balancing-security-and-dignity-2 https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/body-... Norway regularly strip searches suspects, to mostly the same level of standard as other European countries and even the US. The grounds they use to determine suspicion might be different, but in both countries a lot of discretion is given to the officers.
      - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
        > The grounds they use to determine suspicion might be different That's kind of the whole point, isn't it?
matsemann 1y ago
> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork. No, it's just a general statement. Because they can't comment on specific cases. Also note, he would not have been allowed to board the plane in Norway if he didn't have the papers in order. They check that before going to that part of the international terminal.
- account42 1y ago
  That's not true, at least hasn't been true for me when travelling to the US from Germany. They check you passport of course and you need to state that you have a valid visa / ESTA / etc. but the departing airport or airline has no way to check that.
account42 1y ago
CPB says it was because of drug use: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444 https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444
- mandmandam 1y ago
  He said himself that's what the legal 'justification' was (not the real reason, which was his documentation of anti-genocide protests) - because he admitted to smoking weed while in California (where it was legal at the time) a few years back. I don't get why people keep posting that tweet in this thread as if it justifies what happened. It's insane, and needs to be addressed.
  - account42 1y ago
    The tweet is relevant because it refutes the claim that he was denied entry because of a political meme which is what the article implies. The legality of weed in the US is quite complicated. It is officially still as illegal as ever at the federal level and those laws are the ones that border control care most about. I never said that being denied entry because of that is "fair" or how things should work but it is not entirely unexpected. The US has historically been very hard on drugs and anyone visting ought to know that. It's best not to test the limits of the laws when you are a guest in a foreign country.

mvdtnz 1y ago

It sounds like when an article is possibly incomplete you just invent your own facts to fill in the gaps.

snickerdoodle12 1y ago

> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork. Ok, so help him fill out the proper paper work. At which point does this justify strip searching and assaulting someone?

legitster 1y ago
Unfortunately, this is common practice at nearly every border crossing for nearly every country (including Norway).
- snickerdoodle12 1y ago
  They might turn you around, but they're not going to beat you up and strip search you for not having the right papers.
  - Tadpole9181 1y ago
    Don't forget take his blood against his will!
  - legitster 1y ago
    https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/body-searches-balancing-security-and-dignity-2 https://www.sivilombudet.no/en/news/prevention-torture/body-... Norway regularly strip searches suspects, to mostly the same level of standard as other European countries and even the US. The grounds they use to determine suspicion might be different, but in both countries a lot of discretion is given to the officers.
    - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
      > The grounds they use to determine suspicion might be different That's kind of the whole point, isn't it?

matsemann 1y ago

> Which seems to hint that the subject arrived in the US without proper paperwork. No, it's just a general statement. Because they can't comment on specific cases. Also note, he would not have been allowed to board the plane in Norway if he didn't have the papers in order. They check that before going to that part of the international terminal.

account42 1y ago
That's not true, at least hasn't been true for me when travelling to the US from Germany. They check you passport of course and you need to state that you have a valid visa / ESTA / etc. but the departing airport or airline has no way to check that.

account42 1y ago

CPB says it was because of drug use: https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444 https://x.com/CBP/status/1937651325354795444

mandmandam 1y ago
He said himself that's what the legal 'justification' was (not the real reason, which was his documentation of anti-genocide protests) - because he admitted to smoking weed while in California (where it was legal at the time) a few years back. I don't get why people keep posting that tweet in this thread as if it justifies what happened. It's insane, and needs to be addressed.
- account42 1y ago
  The tweet is relevant because it refutes the claim that he was denied entry because of a political meme which is what the article implies. The legality of weed in the US is quite complicated. It is officially still as illegal as ever at the federal level and those laws are the ones that border control care most about. I never said that being denied entry because of that is "fair" or how things should work but it is not entirely unexpected. The US has historically been very hard on drugs and anyone visting ought to know that. It's best not to test the limits of the laws when you are a guest in a foreign country.