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The Résumé is dying, and AI is holding the smoking gun

36 points by pseudolus 1y ago

_mlbt 1y ago
Good. It is a terrible way to screen job applicants and a waste of time for them to carefully craft a resume and then have to put all the exact same information into an online job application form. Good riddance, they have long been obsolete.
- dyauspitr 1y ago
  What are you suggesting? I fill out a form for every position or does the article talk about AI parsing your resumes for you? Because filling out a new form for every position is a ridiculous waste of time.
  - _mlbt 1y ago
    I have always had to fill out a job application form in addition to the resume. The AI parsing helps fill out some of it with varying success, but I would rather just skip the resume entirely. Perhaps having the job application form pull from my LinkedIn profile would be a good solution to the problem of filling out the same information over and over.
    - dyauspitr 1y ago
      LinkedIn is a terrible solution if you expect everyone to use a single company for all their job needs. You can’t mandate everyone use a private website. I’ve had to submit my resume and fill out the same information again maybe 30% of the time. It’s definitely not every time.
      - _mlbt 1y ago
        It wouldn’t have to be mandatory. You’re always free to fill out the information yourself. I picked LinkedIn as an example because many (most?) job applicants have an account with them and it has most of the relevant information already, such as education, industry certifications, and job history.
        dyauspitr 1y ago
        A lot of people don’t want to show up in an internet search and having LinkedIn makes that a necessity. I’d rather we mandate companies have AI/auto parsers for a regular resume instead.
        _mlbt 1y ago
        We’ll have to agree to disagree. As a recent job seeker, I had to have a LinkedIn profile, a resume, and fill out application forms all containing redundant information. The resume import functionality was extremely hit or miss…sometimes actually making more work for me because it incorrectly parsed my resume and erroneously filled the wrong information into the wrong fields. LinkedIn would serve as a definitive superset source of truth so that I would only need to keep it up to date versus the current status quo. Ideally perhaps some sort of standard API could emerge where you could choose your favorite provider of job application information.
      - trod1234 1y ago
        Quite a number of people are sticking to State job boards where they require posters to submit that the information provided is accurate and correct under penalty of perjury. LinkedIn/Indeed are incentivized to keep ghost jobs up if those entities pay them money.
    - bcrl 1y ago
      Online job applications forms are a great way to filter out high quality applicants by wasting their time. I'd rather spend the time which would otherwise be wasted on those forms talking to humans I know and have worked with to find out about worthwhile opportunities where my contribution is valued.
      - _mlbt 1y ago
        Resumes also waste a lot of time for both applicants and employers. They are a relic of a bygone era that should be retired.
        DaSHacka 1y ago
        And what do you propose should replace them?
        _mlbt 1y ago
        Nothing should replace them. They are unnecessary and redundant.
        bcrl 1y ago
        Resumes provide a significant amount of relevant background information on job applicants. How do you propose to obtain this information? Not everything that happens is recorded and available online.
        _mlbt 1y ago
        Got an example of relevant information not duplicated on a LinkedIn profile and a job application? Ultimately, the best chance of success when searching for jobs is to network with people and make personal connections. If you’re relying on your resume to get hired you’re probably going to have a bad time. Also, as someone who has made hiring decisions in the past I am not a fan of resumes. The lack of any standard for format or even what information is contained on a resume makes them a royal pain to sift through.
haiku2077 1y ago
> Whereas earlier technologies helped people craft one good résumé more efficiently, AI enables candidates to generate hundreds of customized applications with minimal effort This isn't totally new - I was doing this pre-AI, over a decade ago. But I guess it's now a lot easier.
DangitBobby 1y ago
Look at how far we've come. We started with hiring processes where almost universally to submit an application, you at least spoke to a human who would acknowledge you, know you exist, and have advanced knowledge on whether the position was even open. Very little wasting of applicants time. Then, we transitioned into highly automated form submissions online, where it's so easy for the potential employer to collect applications that they don't bother to stop receiving them when they have filled the position, and they even keep fake job openings to goose the numbers. IMO, this development was a completely one-sided benefit to employers. They seemed to relish in wasting the applicants time, somehow. Now, legitimate job postings are being inundated with slop due to how shit the online application process is and how much of the applicant's time it's designed to waste. Sounds like a form of justice, almost. Maybe now we can go back to confirming a human exists on both ends.
- trod1234 1y ago
  What you describe is called in engineering, a whipsaw, and when whipsaws get too chaotic they tear the machinery apart. When you stop taking it personally, and ask yourself how and why these business leaders were able to do this and continue doing it for decades, you'll eventually narrow in on the fact that money-printing has played a critical role. Then ask yourself what happens when legitimate producers who are immediately constrained by a loss(profit) function face off against producers who are unconstrained (through non-reserve debt issuance with loans out 100 years). What happened to all the local video rental places after Blockbuster? What happened to all the local SuperMarts after Walmart? What happened with Food Deserts? Large well funded companies came in, slashed prices under where it was profitable, and outspent until competitors shut down. There is a reason since the 70s business growth/adoption plans follow the same curves as ponzi schemes. Until the fuel that drives the cycle is removed, no change can be expected; and if we are being honest, the people making these choices aren't the brightest people in the room. Every producer requires labor, but some use their unconstrained nature to manipulate the factor markets towards wage suppression. This creates untenable whipsaws eventually.
- bryan_w 1y ago
  This feels like an older generational take. Here's why I say that: > Then, we transitioned into highly automated form submissions online, ... this development was a completely one-sided benefit to employers. This was actually a big advantage to job seekers as you could apply to way more jobs at once and lowered the bar of starting to look for another job when the time at your current job was up. As a millennial, I seriously do not know how people got office jobs before the Internet. I've heard people say, "Just put on your best suit, go down there and ask to speak with the manager and give him a firm handshake", but that just seems so old fashioned. >> Sounds like a form of justice, almost. You seem upset, like they did this just to screw you over, but perhaps there might have been other reasons that you hadn't thought of. In any case, the solution won't be eye to eye meetings to submit applications, but probably something digital so I wouldn't expect "The good old days" anytime soon.
decafninja 1y ago
The last time I was interviewing, many of my interviewers flat out admitted they hadn’t read my resume and were just interested in my leetcode performance.
5350-uiop-1130 1y ago
i deleted my linkedin last year when i realised it only exists to harvest data for microshafts AI

36 points by pseudolus 1y ago

Good. It is a terrible way to screen job applicants and a waste of time for them to carefully craft a resume and then have to put all the exact same information into an online job application form. Good riddance, they have long been obsolete.

dyauspitr 1y ago
What are you suggesting? I fill out a form for every position or does the article talk about AI parsing your resumes for you? Because filling out a new form for every position is a ridiculous waste of time.
- _mlbt 1y ago
  I have always had to fill out a job application form in addition to the resume. The AI parsing helps fill out some of it with varying success, but I would rather just skip the resume entirely. Perhaps having the job application form pull from my LinkedIn profile would be a good solution to the problem of filling out the same information over and over.
  - dyauspitr 1y ago
    LinkedIn is a terrible solution if you expect everyone to use a single company for all their job needs. You can’t mandate everyone use a private website. I’ve had to submit my resume and fill out the same information again maybe 30% of the time. It’s definitely not every time.
    - _mlbt 1y ago
      It wouldn’t have to be mandatory. You’re always free to fill out the information yourself. I picked LinkedIn as an example because many (most?) job applicants have an account with them and it has most of the relevant information already, such as education, industry certifications, and job history.
      - dyauspitr 1y ago
        A lot of people don’t want to show up in an internet search and having LinkedIn makes that a necessity. I’d rather we mandate companies have AI/auto parsers for a regular resume instead.
        _mlbt 1y ago
        We’ll have to agree to disagree. As a recent job seeker, I had to have a LinkedIn profile, a resume, and fill out application forms all containing redundant information. The resume import functionality was extremely hit or miss…sometimes actually making more work for me because it incorrectly parsed my resume and erroneously filled the wrong information into the wrong fields. LinkedIn would serve as a definitive superset source of truth so that I would only need to keep it up to date versus the current status quo. Ideally perhaps some sort of standard API could emerge where you could choose your favorite provider of job application information.
    - trod1234 1y ago
      Quite a number of people are sticking to State job boards where they require posters to submit that the information provided is accurate and correct under penalty of perjury. LinkedIn/Indeed are incentivized to keep ghost jobs up if those entities pay them money.
  - bcrl 1y ago
    Online job applications forms are a great way to filter out high quality applicants by wasting their time. I'd rather spend the time which would otherwise be wasted on those forms talking to humans I know and have worked with to find out about worthwhile opportunities where my contribution is valued.
    - _mlbt 1y ago
      Resumes also waste a lot of time for both applicants and employers. They are a relic of a bygone era that should be retired.
      - DaSHacka 1y ago
        And what do you propose should replace them?
        _mlbt 1y ago
        Nothing should replace them. They are unnecessary and redundant.
        bcrl 1y ago
        Resumes provide a significant amount of relevant background information on job applicants. How do you propose to obtain this information? Not everything that happens is recorded and available online.
        _mlbt 1y ago
        Got an example of relevant information not duplicated on a LinkedIn profile and a job application? Ultimately, the best chance of success when searching for jobs is to network with people and make personal connections. If you’re relying on your resume to get hired you’re probably going to have a bad time. Also, as someone who has made hiring decisions in the past I am not a fan of resumes. The lack of any standard for format or even what information is contained on a resume makes them a royal pain to sift through.

haiku2077 1y ago

> Whereas earlier technologies helped people craft one good résumé more efficiently, AI enables candidates to generate hundreds of customized applications with minimal effort This isn't totally new - I was doing this pre-AI, over a decade ago. But I guess it's now a lot easier.

DangitBobby 1y ago

Look at how far we've come. We started with hiring processes where almost universally to submit an application, you at least spoke to a human who would acknowledge you, know you exist, and have advanced knowledge on whether the position was even open. Very little wasting of applicants time. Then, we transitioned into highly automated form submissions online, where it's so easy for the potential employer to collect applications that they don't bother to stop receiving them when they have filled the position, and they even keep fake job openings to goose the numbers. IMO, this development was a completely one-sided benefit to employers. They seemed to relish in wasting the applicants time, somehow. Now, legitimate job postings are being inundated with slop due to how shit the online application process is and how much of the applicant's time it's designed to waste. Sounds like a form of justice, almost. Maybe now we can go back to confirming a human exists on both ends.

trod1234 1y ago
What you describe is called in engineering, a whipsaw, and when whipsaws get too chaotic they tear the machinery apart. When you stop taking it personally, and ask yourself how and why these business leaders were able to do this and continue doing it for decades, you'll eventually narrow in on the fact that money-printing has played a critical role. Then ask yourself what happens when legitimate producers who are immediately constrained by a loss(profit) function face off against producers who are unconstrained (through non-reserve debt issuance with loans out 100 years). What happened to all the local video rental places after Blockbuster? What happened to all the local SuperMarts after Walmart? What happened with Food Deserts? Large well funded companies came in, slashed prices under where it was profitable, and outspent until competitors shut down. There is a reason since the 70s business growth/adoption plans follow the same curves as ponzi schemes. Until the fuel that drives the cycle is removed, no change can be expected; and if we are being honest, the people making these choices aren't the brightest people in the room. Every producer requires labor, but some use their unconstrained nature to manipulate the factor markets towards wage suppression. This creates untenable whipsaws eventually.
bryan_w 1y ago
This feels like an older generational take. Here's why I say that: > Then, we transitioned into highly automated form submissions online, ... this development was a completely one-sided benefit to employers. This was actually a big advantage to job seekers as you could apply to way more jobs at once and lowered the bar of starting to look for another job when the time at your current job was up. As a millennial, I seriously do not know how people got office jobs before the Internet. I've heard people say, "Just put on your best suit, go down there and ask to speak with the manager and give him a firm handshake", but that just seems so old fashioned. >> Sounds like a form of justice, almost. You seem upset, like they did this just to screw you over, but perhaps there might have been other reasons that you hadn't thought of. In any case, the solution won't be eye to eye meetings to submit applications, but probably something digital so I wouldn't expect "The good old days" anytime soon.

decafninja 1y ago

The last time I was interviewing, many of my interviewers flat out admitted they hadn’t read my resume and were just interested in my leetcode performance.

5350-uiop-1130 1y ago

i deleted my linkedin last year when i realised it only exists to harvest data for microshafts AI