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Yeah this is not what I pay the Apple premium for.

monero-xmr 1y ago
Have you tried to use Windows lately? I have one for a media PC. It's so insanely terrible, the ads, the popups, the nags, the dark patterns. Microsoft has given up on personal desktops, just milking the elderly with scams. Terrible
- paxys 1y ago
  What does that have to do with Apple?
  - idle_zealot 1y ago
    More just the state of the world. Apple doesn't need to be squeaky clean to justify a premium price tag. It only needs to be better enough that discerning customers pick it over the outrageously awful alternatives. Market forces at work, racing to the bottom of tolerability.
    - fsflover 1y ago
      Did you maybe hear about the third option, apart from the duopoly?
      - idle_zealot 1y ago
        For a variety of reasons that I confess to not understanding, Linux doesn't seem to be an acceptable alternative for most people. I'm very glad it exists for my own use, though.
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Well considering the article is about a mobile device...
        fsflover 1y ago
        GNU/Linux phones exist. Sent from my Librem 5.
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Seemed like this thread was referring to the Apple/Windows duopoly while the post was about a mobile OS.
- mgh2 1y ago
  The benefits outweigh the costs for them, not for Apple though: slightly related - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44369227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44369227
- tw600040 1y ago
  //Have you tried to use Windows lately? I haven't. When I read that I was wondering if you were going to say it got better and is good now or something. Oh well. Good to know. Thanks for the info.
- animatethrow 1y ago
  You can quickly disable all the Windows start menu ads using either gpedit.msc or regedit. On Linux Ubuntu there's a least one Ubuntu Pro terminal ad I remember having to disable, so no OS is immune from this. As a long time user of Linux, Mac, and Windows, Windows involves the fewest time concerning hassles to tweak a system to be perfectly comfortable and distraction free. With Linux I have spent way too much time solving hardware issues like a laptop not waking from sleep or a bluetooth device freezing Gnome or NVidia drivers not playing nice with Wayland, etc. Linux has been way too slow to support HDR monitor output for YouTube. Mac has way too many issues with third party hardware. If you use a non-Apple mouse with a Macbook the scroll wheel direction will be wrong until you research and install a third party scroll reverser utility. I also remember having a lot of trouble figuring out what third party software I had to install to disable mouse acceleration on the Mac (Steelseries Exactmouse was one older solution). Last I used a Mac the Night Shift feature didn't work with non-Apple monitors so I had to research and install the third party Flux solution, but I recall that had some bugs and its own privacy concerns.... Meanwhile, Windows works great with all my non-Microsoft hardware because that's the nature of its open ecosystem. Windows 11 now also does proper desktop color management like the Mac has had for ages.
  - Gud 1y ago
    During my almost 25 years of usage of FreeBSD I don’t recall one instance of this happening. Same for OpenBSD. So it would appear some operating systems are in fact immune to this.
    - animatethrow 1y ago
      Yes, I concede these niche operating systems won't show me ads. But can I play an HDR YouTube video in a web browser on my HDR display using FreeBSD or OpenBSD? No. One can't even do this with Linux yet as far as I know, though Firefox on Linux recently in the past few months now has experimental HDR support (haven't tried it yet).
      - Gud 1y ago
        Did you try yt-dlp?
- latexr 1y ago
  The fact that another companies does it worse in no way excuses that Apple does it at all.
mrguyorama 1y ago
Do you not remember the time they force downloaded a U2 album to everyone's phone? What do you pay the apple tax for?
- mingus88 1y ago
  Serious answers? Vertical integration of hardware/firmware/OS/Software/services from a big tech firm that isn’t making their margins from selling my personal data and actually delivers industry leading privacy features Pushing ads through the Wallet is pretty gauche though. Nobody’s perfect
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    Vertical integration I can understand. Give a man money, and he'll pay for convenience. But this? > actually delivers industry leading privacy features You can't prove that to save your life. You can hope that Apple delivers industry-leading privacy features... but there is no iOS Open Source Project for you to audit. Apple sues security researchers, the most cutting-edge iOS vulnerability engineers make six figures working for NSO Group. You aren't trusted with an open bootloader to try using other phone ROMs, not that anything would stop it from working. You aren't given a way to roll back updates if Apple makes a controversial change to their security model. Apple won't even give you alternatives to features they admit are backdoored[0]. It's entirely a system of trust. If you don't trust Apple unconditionally, the magic of their products starts to collapse. It's not a new trend either, people in this thread are right to call back to the "gracious" free U2 album. Or further back to the coinage of "Reality Distortion Field" itself. > Nobody’s perfect You say that like there's no way to fix this. As though you live in an alternate reality where it's somehow impossible to write software that respects the user, or legislate guidelines that enforces fair competition. [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...
    - mingus88 1y ago
      Read up on private compute cloud, the transparency log and published binaries, the VRE, use of oHTTP proxies … And then come back and tell me that there is anyone else going through such hoops (at not charge) to make sure they know nothing about you and you don’t need to trust them for the system to work
TiredOfLife 1y ago
Apple settings have been littered with ads for years.

Have you tried to use Windows lately? I have one for a media PC. It's so insanely terrible, the ads, the popups, the nags, the dark patterns. Microsoft has given up on personal desktops, just milking the elderly with scams. Terrible

paxys 1y ago
What does that have to do with Apple?
- idle_zealot 1y ago
  More just the state of the world. Apple doesn't need to be squeaky clean to justify a premium price tag. It only needs to be better enough that discerning customers pick it over the outrageously awful alternatives. Market forces at work, racing to the bottom of tolerability.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    Did you maybe hear about the third option, apart from the duopoly?
    - idle_zealot 1y ago
      For a variety of reasons that I confess to not understanding, Linux doesn't seem to be an acceptable alternative for most people. I'm very glad it exists for my own use, though.
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      Well considering the article is about a mobile device...
      - fsflover 1y ago
        GNU/Linux phones exist. Sent from my Librem 5.
        cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Seemed like this thread was referring to the Apple/Windows duopoly while the post was about a mobile OS.
mgh2 1y ago
The benefits outweigh the costs for them, not for Apple though: slightly related - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44369227 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44369227
tw600040 1y ago
//Have you tried to use Windows lately? I haven't. When I read that I was wondering if you were going to say it got better and is good now or something. Oh well. Good to know. Thanks for the info.
animatethrow 1y ago
You can quickly disable all the Windows start menu ads using either gpedit.msc or regedit. On Linux Ubuntu there's a least one Ubuntu Pro terminal ad I remember having to disable, so no OS is immune from this. As a long time user of Linux, Mac, and Windows, Windows involves the fewest time concerning hassles to tweak a system to be perfectly comfortable and distraction free. With Linux I have spent way too much time solving hardware issues like a laptop not waking from sleep or a bluetooth device freezing Gnome or NVidia drivers not playing nice with Wayland, etc. Linux has been way too slow to support HDR monitor output for YouTube. Mac has way too many issues with third party hardware. If you use a non-Apple mouse with a Macbook the scroll wheel direction will be wrong until you research and install a third party scroll reverser utility. I also remember having a lot of trouble figuring out what third party software I had to install to disable mouse acceleration on the Mac (Steelseries Exactmouse was one older solution). Last I used a Mac the Night Shift feature didn't work with non-Apple monitors so I had to research and install the third party Flux solution, but I recall that had some bugs and its own privacy concerns.... Meanwhile, Windows works great with all my non-Microsoft hardware because that's the nature of its open ecosystem. Windows 11 now also does proper desktop color management like the Mac has had for ages.
- Gud 1y ago
  During my almost 25 years of usage of FreeBSD I don’t recall one instance of this happening. Same for OpenBSD. So it would appear some operating systems are in fact immune to this.
  - animatethrow 1y ago
    Yes, I concede these niche operating systems won't show me ads. But can I play an HDR YouTube video in a web browser on my HDR display using FreeBSD or OpenBSD? No. One can't even do this with Linux yet as far as I know, though Firefox on Linux recently in the past few months now has experimental HDR support (haven't tried it yet).
    - Gud 1y ago
      Did you try yt-dlp?
latexr 1y ago
The fact that another companies does it worse in no way excuses that Apple does it at all.

mrguyorama 1y ago

Do you not remember the time they force downloaded a U2 album to everyone's phone? What do you pay the apple tax for?

mingus88 1y ago
Serious answers? Vertical integration of hardware/firmware/OS/Software/services from a big tech firm that isn’t making their margins from selling my personal data and actually delivers industry leading privacy features Pushing ads through the Wallet is pretty gauche though. Nobody’s perfect
- bigyabai 1y ago
  Vertical integration I can understand. Give a man money, and he'll pay for convenience. But this? > actually delivers industry leading privacy features You can't prove that to save your life. You can hope that Apple delivers industry-leading privacy features... but there is no iOS Open Source Project for you to audit. Apple sues security researchers, the most cutting-edge iOS vulnerability engineers make six figures working for NSO Group. You aren't trusted with an open bootloader to try using other phone ROMs, not that anything would stop it from working. You aren't given a way to roll back updates if Apple makes a controversial change to their security model. Apple won't even give you alternatives to features they admit are backdoored[0]. It's entirely a system of trust. If you don't trust Apple unconditionally, the magic of their products starts to collapse. It's not a new trend either, people in this thread are right to call back to the "gracious" free U2 album. Or further back to the coinage of "Reality Distortion Field" itself. > Nobody’s perfect You say that like there's no way to fix this. As though you live in an alternate reality where it's somehow impossible to write software that respects the user, or legislate guidelines that enforces fair competition. [0] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-secretly-giving-governments-push-notification-data/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...
  - mingus88 1y ago
    Read up on private compute cloud, the transparency log and published binaries, the VRE, use of oHTTP proxies … And then come back and tell me that there is anyone else going through such hoops (at not charge) to make sure they know nothing about you and you don’t need to trust them for the system to work

TiredOfLife 1y ago

Apple settings have been littered with ads for years.