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It's been interesting watching who actually places rule of law and liberty above partisanship -- the Cheneys, tellingly, or Bill Kristol, or the Cato Institute

It's been interesting watching who actually places rule of law and liberty above partisanship -- the Cheneys, tellingly, or Bill Kristol, or the Cato Institute -- and who has cheerfully befouled every declared principle they held in the name of untrammeled power. There are a number of law professors who talked a good game about common law liberty when the bad guy was the EPA, but signed on with Trump I and II the second they realized that tyranny was going to work in favor of their chosen policy preferences. Deeply dispiriting.

JadeNB 1y ago
Yeah, going back and telling 2000 me and 2012 me that the Cheneys and Mitt Romney would become the conscience of the Republican party would have been interesting.
- TremendousJudge 1y ago
  Who would you say was the conscience of the Republican party in 2012? What were they arguing for? Serious question, not American, follow their politics from afar.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 1y ago
    McCain is probably who a lot of people would name. I disagreed with him about a lot of policy specifics, but do think he was genuine in wanting to do right by voters and the nation.
  - cogman10 1y ago
    I'd argue that republicans lost their conscience with Nixon. It doubly got worse with Reagan. Democrats lost their conscience with Clinton. The last republican president with a clear conscience was probably Bush Sr. He was also crucified for it (hence the single term). He foolishly let reason about running a government get in the way of party bluster and that ended his career. Carter was the last democrat president with a conscience and he also was lambasted for it. Unfortunately in the US, principles and conscience haven't resulted in party success in the last 50 years.
cyberax 1y ago
But there's a silver lining. Democrats have been mostly true to their ideas. And the difference is really striking. Once Republicans got power, they immediately forgot basically ALL their ideals: small government, States rights, adherence to law, budget discipline, etc.

JadeNB 1y ago

Yeah, going back and telling 2000 me and 2012 me that the Cheneys and Mitt Romney would become the conscience of the Republican party would have been interesting.

TremendousJudge 1y ago
Who would you say was the conscience of the Republican party in 2012? What were they arguing for? Serious question, not American, follow their politics from afar.
- jasonwatkinspdx 1y ago
  McCain is probably who a lot of people would name. I disagreed with him about a lot of policy specifics, but do think he was genuine in wanting to do right by voters and the nation.
- cogman10 1y ago
  I'd argue that republicans lost their conscience with Nixon. It doubly got worse with Reagan. Democrats lost their conscience with Clinton. The last republican president with a clear conscience was probably Bush Sr. He was also crucified for it (hence the single term). He foolishly let reason about running a government get in the way of party bluster and that ended his career. Carter was the last democrat president with a conscience and he also was lambasted for it. Unfortunately in the US, principles and conscience haven't resulted in party success in the last 50 years.

cyberax 1y ago

But there's a silver lining. Democrats have been mostly true to their ideas. And the difference is really striking. Once Republicans got power, they immediately forgot basically ALL their ideals: small government, States rights, adherence to law, budget discipline, etc.