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Unecessary complication. LLM Can call tools without MCP 100% fine. You don't need a Stateful SSE JSORPC Meshedup server running APIs rebraneded as tools at som

by v3ss0n 1y ago

Unecessary complication. LLM Can call tools without MCP 100% fine. You don't need a Stateful SSE JSORPC Meshedup server running APIs rebraneded as tools at somewhere on the cloud .

taude 1y ago
I think there's going to be a lot of places where you want the middleare that's only exposing a sub-set of apis. and the Ideas that you copy some URL, put it in your LLM Client, and then it magically gets all the tools/endpoints available to you, and you start interacting with it, simplifies the process greatly for a lot of users. No swagger, no http post, body vs params, etc....just play with with your prompt sentance until you get it to do what you want. (edit: sorry, I responded to wrong thread.)
- v3ss0n 1y ago
  Yeah that but - Why SSE? - Why JsonRPC - Why Statefulness REST based Tool Call Server would work 100% fine. Now auth have to be redone for those specifically. And for users of MCP Tools - they are sending a lot of their information to whatever service they are running - that they have never control of For developer it is not necessary and security nightmare if you use someone's MCP service or run your own. For users , it is a privacy nightmare .
jcelerier 1y ago
> LLM Can call tools without MCP 100% fine. but can the LLM host UI ask me for permission (in an outside-of-LLM domain) if the LLM wants to call API foo.bar ?
- fullstackwife 1y ago
  Sounds like NPM:)
- v3ss0n 1y ago
  Thats all part of how you code the LLMHost Backend and Frontend. I build several MCP and MCP-Less tool calling agents using autogen and they can ask the user permission. That is nothing to do with MCP at all. Look into AutoGen by microsoft or if you want more basic , learn how tool calling in LLMs work.
  - owebmaster 1y ago
    MCP is the React for tool calling agents. There is also Angular (langchain?) and vanilla, rolling your own. React won.
  - jcelerier 1y ago
    > Thats all part of how you code I mean I certainly don't want to code my own LLM UI

by v3ss0n 1y ago

Unecessary complication. LLM Can call tools without MCP 100% fine. You don't need a Stateful SSE JSORPC Meshedup server running APIs rebraneded as tools at somewhere on the cloud .

taude 1y ago

I think there's going to be a lot of places where you want the middleare that's only exposing a sub-set of apis. and the Ideas that you copy some URL, put it in your LLM Client, and then it magically gets all the tools/endpoints available to you, and you start interacting with it, simplifies the process greatly for a lot of users. No swagger, no http post, body vs params, etc....just play with with your prompt sentance until you get it to do what you want. (edit: sorry, I responded to wrong thread.)

v3ss0n 1y ago
Yeah that but - Why SSE? - Why JsonRPC - Why Statefulness REST based Tool Call Server would work 100% fine. Now auth have to be redone for those specifically. And for users of MCP Tools - they are sending a lot of their information to whatever service they are running - that they have never control of For developer it is not necessary and security nightmare if you use someone's MCP service or run your own. For users , it is a privacy nightmare .

jcelerier 1y ago

> LLM Can call tools without MCP 100% fine. but can the LLM host UI ask me for permission (in an outside-of-LLM domain) if the LLM wants to call API foo.bar ?

fullstackwife 1y ago
Sounds like NPM:)
v3ss0n 1y ago
Thats all part of how you code the LLMHost Backend and Frontend. I build several MCP and MCP-Less tool calling agents using autogen and they can ask the user permission. That is nothing to do with MCP at all. Look into AutoGen by microsoft or if you want more basic , learn how tool calling in LLMs work.
- owebmaster 1y ago
  MCP is the React for tool calling agents. There is also Angular (langchain?) and vanilla, rolling your own. React won.
- jcelerier 1y ago
  > Thats all part of how you code I mean I certainly don't want to code my own LLM UI