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I believe that MCP is a bit over-marketed. MCP allows you to bring tools to agents you don't control. It's awesome, but it isn't the right match for every prob

I believe that MCP is a bit over-marketed. MCP allows you to bring tools to agents you don't control. It's awesome, but it isn't the right match for every problem. If you believe the hype of X/LinkedIn you would think that MCP everywhere is going to be the solution. Bringing tools to your local Claude client is awesome, but there are still challenges with MCP that need to be solved and like all technology, it isn't applicable universally. Not to mention it's a recipe for burning tokens!

tempodox 1y ago
> … agents you don't control. It's awesome … What have we come to when losing control in software development is called “awesome”.
- loloquwowndueo 1y ago
  WOW talk about quoting out of context.
- 0x500x79 1y ago
  I don't think that the goal of MCP is for software developers. MCP is great for: "I would like Claude Desktop/VSCode/Cursor to know about my JIRA tickets". AFAIK Most of the tools that are being used for AI Coding tools are not delivered through MCP.
  - tempodox 1y ago
    Still, in what world is delegating the stuff you want to do to machines you have no control over a good idea?
- 0x457 1y ago
  Do you get mad at IDE plugins that let you extend software that you don't control?
theOGognf 1y ago
Along with burning tokens, how MCP servers are ran and managed is resource wasteful. Running a whole Docker container just to have some model call a single API? Want to call a small CLI utility, people say to run another Docker container for that Feels like a monolith would be better
- MaxLeiter 1y ago
  Remote MCPs should resolve some of this
- MyOutfitIsVague 1y ago
  A "whole Docker container" is not very heavyweight. Other than having their own filesystem view and separate shared libraries, container processes are nearly as light as non-container processes. It's not like running a VM.
  - jcelerier 1y ago
    > Other than having their own filesystem view and separate shared libraries, container processes are nearly as light as non-container processes. It's not like running a VM. why does the smallest script take seconds to even start then?
    - stingraycharles 1y ago
      That is not normal. Small scripts should launch in milliseconds, not several seconds.
    - antonvs 1y ago
      Below is a transcript of a "smallest script" which runs in 328 ms total on my machine. And that includes loading an ubuntu OS image, which could be optimized depending on what dependencies the script needs. Of course, if you're invoking it on a remote cluster, there are many reasons it can talk longer, especially if the cluster has to scale to satisfy the request. But all those reasons are nothing to do with containers specifically - it's things like cluster capacity, node provisioning time, container pull time, network latency, etc. If you architect things properly, you can get the number below + network latency even for a remote cluster invocation. $ time docker run ubuntu echo hello world hello world real 0m0.328s user 0m0.011s sys 0m0.010s
pydry 1y ago
It's not the solution to every problem but it's a great substitute for a infrequently used app with mediocre UX and most of the world's apps probably do fall into that category actually.
- 0x500x79 1y ago
  Agree, but I think we should hold those Apps to a higher bar. Chat interfaces are not a replacement for good UX.
  - pydry 1y ago
    Have you tried holding Jira to a higher bar? I don't know how. I'd rather somebody just layered a conversational UX over it.
Aurornis 1y ago
> I believe that MCP is a bit over-marketed MCP is pretty cool, but the way every AI influencer pivoted to producing MCP glorification posts at the same time has been groan-inducing. I can usually ignore the hype cycles, but I've been bombarded with so much MCP influencer content in the past few months that I feel exhausted every time I see those three letters.
- 0x500x79 1y ago
  It never fails that if you look at their title it's: VP of XYZ at something.ai as well!
- qsort 1y ago
  It's basically the story of the last 3 years. Can't ignore the technology, but every loser grifter in existence has been on AI full time. On average, the more they are fanatics of it, the less they're able to take advantage of what it actually can do, most often due to an inordinate amount of skill issues unrelated to AI.
  - Eisenstein 1y ago
    When the crypto bubble burst, the fad chasers had to go somewhere. It is a tale as old as time.
    - roenxi 1y ago
      Which crypto bubble burst? The Bitcoin price still appears to be at all-time highs.
      - Eisenstein 1y ago
        I'm sure your bitcoin are fine, seeing as the entrenched financial institutions and the old money crowd invested in them, their value isn't going to go down; nice to be part of that crowd I am sure. You may want to check in on NFTs, Terra Luna, Celsius, Safe Moon, SQUID, and FTX. I think they might not be at all time highs.
pphysch 1y ago
MCP is a major lifeline for OpenAI and Anthropic. Their only reasonable way to compete with the big vertical AI integrators is if the "community" does all the hard work of integration, hence MCP. After the initial burst of greenfield enthusiasm I suspect it will stagnate as a yet another maintenance burden.
- nsonha 1y ago
  Any kind of open extensions can be framed as "lifeline" but it's also the only way a platform can evolve and actually cater to consumers' need. The alternative is the company somehow knowing how every consumer thinks. It can happen over time just not on any realistic time frame. If it take too long it's not exactly great for the people building on the platform either.
- visarga 1y ago
  Simple - you use MCP agents to update your MCP servers. I made 2 MCPs both 100% vibe coded. Keep the constraints - docs+tests - and you can regenerate the code as needed.
fiatjaf 1y ago
You just said the same thing three times and didn't explain why.

tempodox 1y ago

> … agents you don't control. It's awesome … What have we come to when losing control in software development is called “awesome”.

loloquwowndueo 1y ago
WOW talk about quoting out of context.
0x500x79 1y ago
I don't think that the goal of MCP is for software developers. MCP is great for: "I would like Claude Desktop/VSCode/Cursor to know about my JIRA tickets". AFAIK Most of the tools that are being used for AI Coding tools are not delivered through MCP.
- tempodox 1y ago
  Still, in what world is delegating the stuff you want to do to machines you have no control over a good idea?
0x457 1y ago
Do you get mad at IDE plugins that let you extend software that you don't control?

theOGognf 1y ago

Along with burning tokens, how MCP servers are ran and managed is resource wasteful. Running a whole Docker container just to have some model call a single API? Want to call a small CLI utility, people say to run another Docker container for that Feels like a monolith would be better

MaxLeiter 1y ago
Remote MCPs should resolve some of this
MyOutfitIsVague 1y ago
A "whole Docker container" is not very heavyweight. Other than having their own filesystem view and separate shared libraries, container processes are nearly as light as non-container processes. It's not like running a VM.
- jcelerier 1y ago
  > Other than having their own filesystem view and separate shared libraries, container processes are nearly as light as non-container processes. It's not like running a VM. why does the smallest script take seconds to even start then?
  - stingraycharles 1y ago
    That is not normal. Small scripts should launch in milliseconds, not several seconds.
  - antonvs 1y ago
    Below is a transcript of a "smallest script" which runs in 328 ms total on my machine. And that includes loading an ubuntu OS image, which could be optimized depending on what dependencies the script needs. Of course, if you're invoking it on a remote cluster, there are many reasons it can talk longer, especially if the cluster has to scale to satisfy the request. But all those reasons are nothing to do with containers specifically - it's things like cluster capacity, node provisioning time, container pull time, network latency, etc. If you architect things properly, you can get the number below + network latency even for a remote cluster invocation. $ time docker run ubuntu echo hello world hello world real 0m0.328s user 0m0.011s sys 0m0.010s

pydry 1y ago

It's not the solution to every problem but it's a great substitute for a infrequently used app with mediocre UX and most of the world's apps probably do fall into that category actually.

0x500x79 1y ago
Agree, but I think we should hold those Apps to a higher bar. Chat interfaces are not a replacement for good UX.
- pydry 1y ago
  Have you tried holding Jira to a higher bar? I don't know how. I'd rather somebody just layered a conversational UX over it.

Aurornis 1y ago

> I believe that MCP is a bit over-marketed MCP is pretty cool, but the way every AI influencer pivoted to producing MCP glorification posts at the same time has been groan-inducing. I can usually ignore the hype cycles, but I've been bombarded with so much MCP influencer content in the past few months that I feel exhausted every time I see those three letters.

0x500x79 1y ago
It never fails that if you look at their title it's: VP of XYZ at something.ai as well!
qsort 1y ago
It's basically the story of the last 3 years. Can't ignore the technology, but every loser grifter in existence has been on AI full time. On average, the more they are fanatics of it, the less they're able to take advantage of what it actually can do, most often due to an inordinate amount of skill issues unrelated to AI.
- Eisenstein 1y ago
  When the crypto bubble burst, the fad chasers had to go somewhere. It is a tale as old as time.
  - roenxi 1y ago
    Which crypto bubble burst? The Bitcoin price still appears to be at all-time highs.
    - Eisenstein 1y ago
      I'm sure your bitcoin are fine, seeing as the entrenched financial institutions and the old money crowd invested in them, their value isn't going to go down; nice to be part of that crowd I am sure. You may want to check in on NFTs, Terra Luna, Celsius, Safe Moon, SQUID, and FTX. I think they might not be at all time highs.

pphysch 1y ago

MCP is a major lifeline for OpenAI and Anthropic. Their only reasonable way to compete with the big vertical AI integrators is if the "community" does all the hard work of integration, hence MCP. After the initial burst of greenfield enthusiasm I suspect it will stagnate as a yet another maintenance burden.

nsonha 1y ago
Any kind of open extensions can be framed as "lifeline" but it's also the only way a platform can evolve and actually cater to consumers' need. The alternative is the company somehow knowing how every consumer thinks. It can happen over time just not on any realistic time frame. If it take too long it's not exactly great for the people building on the platform either.
visarga 1y ago
Simple - you use MCP agents to update your MCP servers. I made 2 MCPs both 100% vibe coded. Keep the constraints - docs+tests - and you can regenerate the code as needed.

fiatjaf 1y ago

You just said the same thing three times and didn't explain why.