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Germany? Must be some dark joke. You know how many things can get you fined there?

barbazoo 1y ago
What are you referring to? Denying the Holocaust? Making nazi salutes? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Re...
- 698969 1y ago
  Calling someone an asshole, or calling them a racist if they seem to discriminate you based on your race, saying a restaurant isn't good etc. can very easily get you sued in Germany.
  - barbazoo 1y ago
    Do you have examples for each of those?
    - immibis 1y ago
      https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/14fu1fm/legally_threatened_for_leaving_a_negative_review/ https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/14fu1fm/legally_th... https://se-legal.de/criminal-defense-lawyer/defamation-libel-lawyer-germany/?lang=en https://se-legal.de/criminal-defense-lawyer/defamation-libel...
- msgodel 1y ago
  Heh. If you can't do that you don't have free speech. That's what free speech means.
  - watwut 1y ago
    And yet, they are more democratic and more free then USA. And currently less nazi too.
    - msgodel 1y ago
      How do you know they're "less nazi" and not just self censoring? Also if that's what people want isn't it less democratic to suppress it? Things like free speech and voting are more a service to the elites for this reason IMO.
      - immibis 1y ago
        They are in fact self censoring. I live there and many people are just Nazis. It's illegal to be a Nazi, but the law works on facts you can prove in court, and the only way you can prove that is if they, for example, yelled Heil Hitler, or did the salute, or waved a swastika flag. As long as they're not too obvious about it, it's de facto allowed. Some people are still stupid enough to do the obvious signs of course.
      - watwut 1y ago
        No, it is not less democratic to suppress movements whose explicit goal is dictatorship and abuse of other people.
af78 1y ago
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/freedom-of-expression-index https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/freedom-of-expression-ind... Freedom of expression index (higher is better) Germany: 0.94 USA: 0.89

What are you referring to? Denying the Holocaust? Making nazi salutes? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Federal_Re...

698969 1y ago
Calling someone an asshole, or calling them a racist if they seem to discriminate you based on your race, saying a restaurant isn't good etc. can very easily get you sued in Germany.
- barbazoo 1y ago
  Do you have examples for each of those?
  - immibis 1y ago
    https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/14fu1fm/legally_threatened_for_leaving_a_negative_review/ https://www.reddit.com/r/germany/comments/14fu1fm/legally_th... https://se-legal.de/criminal-defense-lawyer/defamation-libel-lawyer-germany/?lang=en https://se-legal.de/criminal-defense-lawyer/defamation-libel...
msgodel 1y ago
Heh. If you can't do that you don't have free speech. That's what free speech means.
- watwut 1y ago
  And yet, they are more democratic and more free then USA. And currently less nazi too.
  - msgodel 1y ago
    How do you know they're "less nazi" and not just self censoring? Also if that's what people want isn't it less democratic to suppress it? Things like free speech and voting are more a service to the elites for this reason IMO.
    - immibis 1y ago
      They are in fact self censoring. I live there and many people are just Nazis. It's illegal to be a Nazi, but the law works on facts you can prove in court, and the only way you can prove that is if they, for example, yelled Heil Hitler, or did the salute, or waved a swastika flag. As long as they're not too obvious about it, it's de facto allowed. Some people are still stupid enough to do the obvious signs of course.
    - watwut 1y ago
      No, it is not less democratic to suppress movements whose explicit goal is dictatorship and abuse of other people.

af78 1y ago

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/freedom-of-expression-index https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/freedom-of-expression-ind... Freedom of expression index (higher is better) Germany: 0.94 USA: 0.89