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I don't understand this comment. The fine article is about a proposed law that would allegedly require the implementation of half-baked censorship systems along

by cvz 1y ago

I don't understand this comment. The fine article is about a proposed law that would allegedly require the implementation of half-baked censorship systems along the same lines as the DMCA. Are you saying that's not a real issue because the EFF also whines about big tech?

ajross 1y ago
I'm saying I'm fed up with the EFF for their silence in the face of genuine disaster, and am treating them like the click farm they've become. Is NO FAKES a bad law? Probably. Do I trust the EFF to tell me that? Not anymore. They were a genuine beacon of rationality and justice in the early internet. They're junk-tier blog spam now. And I find that upsetting, irrespective of the status of AI legislation.
- Analemma_ 1y ago
  When you find yourself getting more angry at people saying “hey, this is a really bad law” than at the really bad law, I think you need to step back and take some deep breaths, maybe get off the internet for a while. This philosophy is yours is bad for a number of reasons, but I’ll start with the fact that you have essentially constructed a loophole for arbitrarily bad laws to be passed. If you just rage yourself into not caring about bad laws because you’re mad at the people talking about them instead, then when will you ever oppose the bad laws, instead of “getting mad at randos online”? This quickly turns into cynicism and apathy in the face of unlimited cruelty and expansion of government power.
  - dredmorbius 1y ago
    <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9944753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9944753> (Regardless of my agreement with either you or ajross. "Get off the Internet for a while" reads close to "touch grass", which dang's specifically addressed: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40851991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40851991>.)
    - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
      Your latter source was “you sound like a basket case… touch grass” which has a completely different tone and somewhat different content.
      - dredmorbius 1y ago
        I'd strongly recommend people read through mods' "no personal attacks" admonishments and the comments to which they're responding to. These often make the point that even a very mild (and unintentional) barb can read far more biting than it was written: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25982286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25982286> This case is borderline, but I suspect mods would find it on the far side of that border. The original comment reads better without the swipe.
        BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
        Eh actually, on review of all the material, I fall more on your side. The original comment did have a (very mild) personal attack in it at the end of the day.
        dredmorbius 1y ago
        Thanks, and yes it can be quite subtle.

by cvz 1y ago

ajross 1y ago

I'm saying I'm fed up with the EFF for their silence in the face of genuine disaster, and am treating them like the click farm they've become. Is NO FAKES a bad law? Probably. Do I trust the EFF to tell me that? Not anymore. They were a genuine beacon of rationality and justice in the early internet. They're junk-tier blog spam now. And I find that upsetting, irrespective of the status of AI legislation.

Analemma_ 1y ago
When you find yourself getting more angry at people saying “hey, this is a really bad law” than at the really bad law, I think you need to step back and take some deep breaths, maybe get off the internet for a while. This philosophy is yours is bad for a number of reasons, but I’ll start with the fact that you have essentially constructed a loophole for arbitrarily bad laws to be passed. If you just rage yourself into not caring about bad laws because you’re mad at the people talking about them instead, then when will you ever oppose the bad laws, instead of “getting mad at randos online”? This quickly turns into cynicism and apathy in the face of unlimited cruelty and expansion of government power.
- dredmorbius 1y ago
  <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9944753 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9944753> (Regardless of my agreement with either you or ajross. "Get off the Internet for a while" reads close to "touch grass", which dang's specifically addressed: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40851991 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40851991>.)
  - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
    Your latter source was “you sound like a basket case… touch grass” which has a completely different tone and somewhat different content.
    - dredmorbius 1y ago
      I'd strongly recommend people read through mods' "no personal attacks" admonishments and the comments to which they're responding to. These often make the point that even a very mild (and unintentional) barb can read far more biting than it was written: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25982286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25982286> This case is borderline, but I suspect mods would find it on the far side of that border. The original comment reads better without the swipe.
      - BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
        Eh actually, on review of all the material, I fall more on your side. The original comment did have a (very mild) personal attack in it at the end of the day.
        dredmorbius 1y ago
        Thanks, and yes it can be quite subtle.