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Am I the only one who actually dislikes the recent trend of putting emojis everywhere in CLI tools? I am ok with red and yellow text for errors and warning, and

Am I the only one who actually dislikes the recent trend of putting emojis everywhere in CLI tools? I am ok with red and yellow text for errors and warning, and I can stand green for success (though I find it useless), but emoji's are just distracting.

skerit 1y ago
I'm sorry, I really like it. When used in titles & subtitles, I find it makes it a lot more pleasant to read for me.
- dkdbejwi383 1y ago
  I’m not sure why you got downvoted for this. Is HN turning into reddit where downvote means “I have a different opinion”?
  - bluebarbet 1y ago
    Without activist moderation, that would appear to be the default outcome. Most humans seem to have an urge to stamp on dissonant opinions. Unfortunately.
  - layer8 1y ago
    This has always been the case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36674260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36674260 Please also see the very last guideline here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
LeoPanthera 1y ago
You are never the only one.
- account42 1y ago
  You are the only one who doesn't understand that not all questions are meant literally though.
  - layer8 1y ago
    I don’t think he's the only one.
Springtime 1y ago
I also find fully rendered/colored emojis distracting even in repo readmes because I feel they give off a casual chat messaging vibe, since before colored emojis became part of Unicode proper they were exclusively used for chat messengers. There's a Unicode sequence that tries to use a monochrome glyph instead if it's supported which I prefer as it's more in keeping with the rest of the text (though an issue with some of those variants is legibility at small sizes/PPI).
- account42 1y ago
  I really hate that Unicode retroactively made some pre-existing smileys into colored-by-default emojis.
- magackame 1y ago
  Noto Emoji has all emoji as monochrome outlines.
- kergonath 1y ago
  > I feel they give off a casual chat messaging vibe, since before colored emojis became part of Unicode proper they were exclusively used for chat messengers. This is mostly cultural, though. Some people are used to this.
adastra22 1y ago
It was cute before it was everywhere thanks to LLMs.
- uncircle 1y ago
  It was already annoying before LLMs got popular. Now it’s gotten out of hand <rocket emoji> Emojis in repos and CLI tools is the textual counterpart to the soulless Alegria art style: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Memphis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Memphis
DonHopkins 1y ago
I dislike putting ASCII characters in CLI tools and logs and think they should be PURE EMOJI! [ wink emoji ;) ]
pknerd 1y ago
> Am I the only one who actually dislikes the recent trend of putting emojis everywhere in CLI tools? No.
hnlmorg 1y ago
I’m the same. I hate emojis anywhere that is intended to be informative reading. Whether it is terminal output, markdown documents (even titles), git commit messages, etc. I get they bring people a little bit of joy, but as a dyslexic who likely also has ADHD, they bring me unnecessary distractions and visual clutter. The only time I like emojis in a formal setting is when used in Slack to denote a thread (the thread/sewing emoji).
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bigstrat2003 1y ago
Emojis do not belong in the CLI, ever. Hell, I personally think they shouldn't be in Unicode at all (as they are not text), but that ship has long since sailed unfortunately.
- account42 1y ago
  The argument for emojis in Unicode was that existing chat protocols had them. But I don't buy that argument since many chat protocols also supported custom smileys which Unicode doesn't. Trying to standardize creative expression is a mistake IMO.
  - ffaser5gxlsll 1y ago
    It's dumb because a font a allowed to re-interpret the actual image, but in doing so you also frequently change the meaning of the symbol. This is not a problem for text, but for images just changing the color of the fill might completely change the meaning of the sentence. See the old apple gun vs squirt gun. The same is true also when using stuff like whatsapp on android, where the os keyboard shows you one image from the system theme, but the one which you see inserted in the text is not what you selected, but at least is partially better than sending something without knowing how it will be rendered, which is what most chat messages have realized after trying to simply using the system font. So at that point, you have to switch to a different custom font just for the emoji block, and you're still limited to what unicode allows instead of just bundling whatever image you want (which is a great excuse to sell new phones with "new emojis" I guess).
    - thaumasiotes 1y ago
      > and you're still limited to what unicode allows instead of just bundling whatever image you want (which is a great excuse to sell new phones with "new emojis" I guess). Except that every chat client now supports stickers, which are nothing but custom images that are guaranteed to render the same way for the recipient that they do for you. The recipient does not need to have them installed. But stickers have to be their own full message in the clients I know of. Once they start to be integrated into textual messages, clients will have developed all the way to where MSN messenger was in 2003.
nickdothutton 1y ago
Unless the emoji is serving the purpose of a button or icon, then at the CLI (and TUI) I prefer not to see them. A good example (IMO) of their proper use would be as a traffic light indicator for something. Always consider the output of your program may be used as the input for another program to paraphrase klt.
lgeorget 1y ago
I like them when they're used as bullet points in lists for instance. Just like we've always used small icons of phones and envelopes in contact information boxes/business cards to identify the fields at a glance.
lifthrasiir 1y ago
Agreed. Emojis are even more prominent than colors, so they should be very sparingly used. I'm not against the use of emojis in terminals per se (regardless of my opinion of the very introduction to emojis in Unicode), but they are now too many to be visually ignored.
graemep 1y ago
I think they are overused everywhere. Most annoyingly as a workaround to put pictures in what should be text - email subject lines for example. I like coloured text, and I like TUIs. To be fair, nothing I use has noticeable emojis. I am not really bothered about enhanced terminals - I would rather keep terminals simple and use a GUI if I need more complex presentation.
ffaser5gxlsll 1y ago
I dislike emojis in general when combined with running text. Especially in terminals or character-based interfaces with fixed-width fonts. On top of that, there are only very few emojis that can be read properly at the same size of the current line height. It works for a few simplified faces and symbols, but that's it. The fact that emoji fonts override the font color rendering is an aggravating factor. I don't want text to change color behind my choice (it SUCKS with customized color themes). They feel like a punch in the face to me when I'm reading documentation or even worse when reading code. Sadly, it's really hard to avoid them nowdays. I'm using a few lisp scripts with emacs to translate the common ones back to ascii for rendering. I can point out that "Noto Emoji" is a b/w version of Noto Color Emoji, which contains a MUCH more suitable version of emojis that can be used in running text. As noted before, it's only a partial solution as I find most emojis are still not readable when scaled at the same size as the text and when simplified sometimes they also lose the original meaning (just use the damn word dammit!). But at least they don't override the color. On linux, you can force a font substitution with fontconfig to force the b/w version whenever color-emoji is used and can't be customized.

skerit 1y ago

I'm sorry, I really like it. When used in titles & subtitles, I find it makes it a lot more pleasant to read for me.

dkdbejwi383 1y ago
I’m not sure why you got downvoted for this. Is HN turning into reddit where downvote means “I have a different opinion”?
- bluebarbet 1y ago
  Without activist moderation, that would appear to be the default outcome. Most humans seem to have an urge to stamp on dissonant opinions. Unfortunately.
- layer8 1y ago
  This has always been the case: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36674260 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36674260 Please also see the very last guideline here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

LeoPanthera 1y ago

You are never the only one.

account42 1y ago
You are the only one who doesn't understand that not all questions are meant literally though.
- layer8 1y ago
  I don’t think he's the only one.

Springtime 1y ago

I also find fully rendered/colored emojis distracting even in repo readmes because I feel they give off a casual chat messaging vibe, since before colored emojis became part of Unicode proper they were exclusively used for chat messengers. There's a Unicode sequence that tries to use a monochrome glyph instead if it's supported which I prefer as it's more in keeping with the rest of the text (though an issue with some of those variants is legibility at small sizes/PPI).

account42 1y ago
I really hate that Unicode retroactively made some pre-existing smileys into colored-by-default emojis.
magackame 1y ago
Noto Emoji has all emoji as monochrome outlines.
kergonath 1y ago
> I feel they give off a casual chat messaging vibe, since before colored emojis became part of Unicode proper they were exclusively used for chat messengers. This is mostly cultural, though. Some people are used to this.

adastra22 1y ago

It was cute before it was everywhere thanks to LLMs.

uncircle 1y ago
It was already annoying before LLMs got popular. Now it’s gotten out of hand <rocket emoji> Emojis in repos and CLI tools is the textual counterpart to the soulless Alegria art style: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Memphis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Memphis

DonHopkins 1y ago

I dislike putting ASCII characters in CLI tools and logs and think they should be PURE EMOJI! [ wink emoji ;) ]

pknerd 1y ago

> Am I the only one who actually dislikes the recent trend of putting emojis everywhere in CLI tools? No.

hnlmorg 1y ago

I’m the same. I hate emojis anywhere that is intended to be informative reading. Whether it is terminal output, markdown documents (even titles), git commit messages, etc. I get they bring people a little bit of joy, but as a dyslexic who likely also has ADHD, they bring me unnecessary distractions and visual clutter. The only time I like emojis in a formal setting is when used in Slack to denote a thread (the thread/sewing emoji).

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bigstrat2003 1y ago

Emojis do not belong in the CLI, ever. Hell, I personally think they shouldn't be in Unicode at all (as they are not text), but that ship has long since sailed unfortunately.

account42 1y ago
The argument for emojis in Unicode was that existing chat protocols had them. But I don't buy that argument since many chat protocols also supported custom smileys which Unicode doesn't. Trying to standardize creative expression is a mistake IMO.
- ffaser5gxlsll 1y ago
  It's dumb because a font a allowed to re-interpret the actual image, but in doing so you also frequently change the meaning of the symbol. This is not a problem for text, but for images just changing the color of the fill might completely change the meaning of the sentence. See the old apple gun vs squirt gun. The same is true also when using stuff like whatsapp on android, where the os keyboard shows you one image from the system theme, but the one which you see inserted in the text is not what you selected, but at least is partially better than sending something without knowing how it will be rendered, which is what most chat messages have realized after trying to simply using the system font. So at that point, you have to switch to a different custom font just for the emoji block, and you're still limited to what unicode allows instead of just bundling whatever image you want (which is a great excuse to sell new phones with "new emojis" I guess).
  - thaumasiotes 1y ago
    > and you're still limited to what unicode allows instead of just bundling whatever image you want (which is a great excuse to sell new phones with "new emojis" I guess). Except that every chat client now supports stickers, which are nothing but custom images that are guaranteed to render the same way for the recipient that they do for you. The recipient does not need to have them installed. But stickers have to be their own full message in the clients I know of. Once they start to be integrated into textual messages, clients will have developed all the way to where MSN messenger was in 2003.

nickdothutton 1y ago

Unless the emoji is serving the purpose of a button or icon, then at the CLI (and TUI) I prefer not to see them. A good example (IMO) of their proper use would be as a traffic light indicator for something. Always consider the output of your program may be used as the input for another program to paraphrase klt.

lgeorget 1y ago

I like them when they're used as bullet points in lists for instance. Just like we've always used small icons of phones and envelopes in contact information boxes/business cards to identify the fields at a glance.

lifthrasiir 1y ago

Agreed. Emojis are even more prominent than colors, so they should be very sparingly used. I'm not against the use of emojis in terminals per se (regardless of my opinion of the very introduction to emojis in Unicode), but they are now too many to be visually ignored.

graemep 1y ago

I think they are overused everywhere. Most annoyingly as a workaround to put pictures in what should be text - email subject lines for example. I like coloured text, and I like TUIs. To be fair, nothing I use has noticeable emojis. I am not really bothered about enhanced terminals - I would rather keep terminals simple and use a GUI if I need more complex presentation.

ffaser5gxlsll 1y ago

I dislike emojis in general when combined with running text. Especially in terminals or character-based interfaces with fixed-width fonts. On top of that, there are only very few emojis that can be read properly at the same size of the current line height. It works for a few simplified faces and symbols, but that's it. The fact that emoji fonts override the font color rendering is an aggravating factor. I don't want text to change color behind my choice (it SUCKS with customized color themes). They feel like a punch in the face to me when I'm reading documentation or even worse when reading code. Sadly, it's really hard to avoid them nowdays. I'm using a few lisp scripts with emacs to translate the common ones back to ascii for rendering. I can point out that "Noto Emoji" is a b/w version of Noto Color Emoji, which contains a MUCH more suitable version of emojis that can be used in running text. As noted before, it's only a partial solution as I find most emojis are still not readable when scaled at the same size as the text and when simplified sometimes they also lose the original meaning (just use the damn word dammit!). But at least they don't override the color. On linux, you can force a font substitution with fontconfig to force the b/w version whenever color-emoji is used and can't be customized.