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Ignore comparing to women for a second: The OP suggested that men were focused on their appearance at the cost of traditional “male focuses” like wealth. Is yo

Ignore comparing to women for a second: The OP suggested that men were focused on their appearance at the cost of traditional “male focuses” like wealth. Is your argument that men stopped focusing on their income because they started focusing on their physical appearance more? Why that and not the plethora of other reasons that women might earn more than men now, almost none of which have to do with men focusing on their appearance at the cost of wealth-building?

anonym29 1y ago
You made a claim later in the exchange, which is what I am responding to. Your claim - "Those fields (wealth, competitive sport) aren’t in decline among young men.". Men's proportional share of income is in decline, and while wealth and income aren't the same, income is necessary for most people to build wealth. When men's proportional income is in decline, it logically follows that men's proportional wealth will also be in decline.
- BoxFour 1y ago
  No, I claimed that interest in them isn’t declining in young men. You’re not proving interest in them has. You’re engaging in outcomes-based thinking, which is entirely irrelevant to this argument about inputs. The argument is that men lost focus on wealth because they gained focused on physical appearance instead. Your fact about proportional wealth outcomes proves neither part in that argument.
  - anonym29 1y ago
    My quote was copied and pasted directly from your message. Again, the actual decline in proportional male income and wealth isn't mutually exclusive with male interest in income and wealth rising. If anything, the realized decline is a perfectly logical explanation for the increase in interest. It seems you may have made a few statements that, by themselves, are strictly speaking, inaccurate, but were intended to paint a picture of your broader argument that I don't necessarily disagree with - I just wanted to point out that many young men are in fact falling behind on income and wealth accumulation, contradictory to a statement you'd made.

anonym29 1y ago

You made a claim later in the exchange, which is what I am responding to. Your claim - "Those fields (wealth, competitive sport) aren’t in decline among young men.". Men's proportional share of income is in decline, and while wealth and income aren't the same, income is necessary for most people to build wealth. When men's proportional income is in decline, it logically follows that men's proportional wealth will also be in decline.

BoxFour 1y ago
No, I claimed that interest in them isn’t declining in young men. You’re not proving interest in them has. You’re engaging in outcomes-based thinking, which is entirely irrelevant to this argument about inputs. The argument is that men lost focus on wealth because they gained focused on physical appearance instead. Your fact about proportional wealth outcomes proves neither part in that argument.
- anonym29 1y ago
  My quote was copied and pasted directly from your message. Again, the actual decline in proportional male income and wealth isn't mutually exclusive with male interest in income and wealth rising. If anything, the realized decline is a perfectly logical explanation for the increase in interest. It seems you may have made a few statements that, by themselves, are strictly speaking, inaccurate, but were intended to paint a picture of your broader argument that I don't necessarily disagree with - I just wanted to point out that many young men are in fact falling behind on income and wealth accumulation, contradictory to a statement you'd made.