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even if Iran was honestly complying, it seems that 60% level left them enough wiggle room for "accidental enrichment" Ooopps : https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2

by trhway 1y ago

even if Iran was honestly complying, it seems that 60% level left them enough wiggle room for "accidental enrichment" Ooopps : https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/20/iran-denies-enriching-uranium-to-84-percent-purity-amid-iaea-row https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/20/iran-denies-enrichi... " Iran has denied that it has intentionally enriched uranium to a purity of 84 percent ... US-based financial news agency Bloomberg reported on Sunday that inspectors with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) had found uranium enriched to a purity of 84 percent — just below the 90 percent required for a bomb — and are trying to determine if it was produced intentionally." Peaceful energy requires well under 10%. Enriching any noticeable amount (i.e. >> research/medical quantities) beyond that level has only one purpose - weapons (and you can make a weapon even with slightly sub-90%, and 84% does sound there, it is just a bit more technically complex and yield may be less, yet who measures ...)

themgt 1y ago
The JCPOA limit was 3.67%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Ac...
- trhway 1y ago
  So, if 3.67% was enough for them (like for anybody else doing peaceful nuclear energy), why they have produced so much of 60%? Edit: judging by the answers the word "why" happened to be misunderstood in my question. I'll restate it - what purpose Iran has been enriching uranium to 60% for? So far the only plausible answer has been - weapons. So, Iran: - claimed intention of destruction of Israel and US, - started the actual, not by proxy, war with Israel by missile attack on October 2024, - and made all the practical steps toward obtaining nuclear weapons (and does have ballistic missiles to carry them) I.e. Iran presented credible existential threat to Israel and US, and thus is getting bombed in response.
  - themgt 1y ago
    This is like asking why your employee stopped showing up for work after you fired them.
    - edanm 1y ago
      No, it's like asking why you spent a billion dollars renovating your house, then claimed you were never planning to live in it.
      - owebmaster 1y ago
        Knock knock. It's the world police.
  - zzzeek 1y ago
    because the US pulled out of the deal and reinstated the sanctions which were the whole reason Iran joined the JCPOA in the first place.
zzzeek 1y ago
this is a misunderstanding of the full context. The US abandoned the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 under Trump's order to withdraw from the agreement (which was, IMO, strictly part of his package to ruin the legacy of Obama, who he despises deeply). This essentially killed the primary reason Iran agreed in the first place, which was relief from sanctions. However the agreement remains in force to this day and is still monitored by the IAEA. So it's not very surprising that Iran resumed their enrichment activities [1] and Trump's actions in 2018 has led to vastly higher tensions between the US/Iran/Israel. It is well established by the IAEA itself that Iran fully honored the terms of the JCPOA up until Trump intentionally ruined the agreement by pulling the US out of it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_...
- perihelions 1y ago
  That's quite something to read again with the perspective of hindsight. It's highly ironic that the European Commission called the US sanctions on Iran's ballistic missile program illegal (and took actions against them); those same ballistic missiles are being used against Europe today, in Ukraine. That was in 2018; the EU ended up themselves sanctioning Iran for ballistic missiles in 2024, > "In a statement dated 13 September 2024, the EU strongly condemned the recent transfer of Iranian-made ballistic missiles to Russia, considered as a direct threat to European security [sic!] and as a substantive material escalation from the provision of Iranian UAVs and ammunition, which Russia had used in its illegal war of aggression against Ukraine. The High Representative stated that the EU would respond swiftly and in coordination with international partners, including with new and significant restrictive measures against Iran." https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/10/14/iran-seven-individuals-and-seven-entities-sanctioned-in-response-to-iran-s-missile-transfer-to-russia/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024... > "The European Union on Monday imposed sanctions on Iran’s deputy defense minister, senior members of its paramilitary Revolutionary Guard and three airlines over allegations that they supplied drones, missiles and other equipment to Russia for use in its war against Ukraine." https://apnews.com/article/eu-russia-drones-missiles-iran-sanctions-78d0dee01817ca4b5feedf18a72bac31 https://apnews.com/article/eu-russia-drones-missiles-iran-sa...
sorcerer-mar 1y ago
Iran complied with the <4% limit throughout the entire period that the United States remained party to the JCPOA. The US (specifically Trump at the behest of Netanyahu) broke the agreement, no one else.
pharrington 1y ago
Yes, that happened 5 years after Trump unilaterally destroyed the Iran nuclear weapons ban deal.

by trhway 1y ago

themgt 1y ago

The JCPOA limit was 3.67%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action#Timeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Ac...

trhway 1y ago
So, if 3.67% was enough for them (like for anybody else doing peaceful nuclear energy), why they have produced so much of 60%? Edit: judging by the answers the word "why" happened to be misunderstood in my question. I'll restate it - what purpose Iran has been enriching uranium to 60% for? So far the only plausible answer has been - weapons. So, Iran: - claimed intention of destruction of Israel and US, - started the actual, not by proxy, war with Israel by missile attack on October 2024, - and made all the practical steps toward obtaining nuclear weapons (and does have ballistic missiles to carry them) I.e. Iran presented credible existential threat to Israel and US, and thus is getting bombed in response.
- themgt 1y ago
  This is like asking why your employee stopped showing up for work after you fired them.
  - edanm 1y ago
    No, it's like asking why you spent a billion dollars renovating your house, then claimed you were never planning to live in it.
    - owebmaster 1y ago
      Knock knock. It's the world police.
- zzzeek 1y ago
  because the US pulled out of the deal and reinstated the sanctions which were the whole reason Iran joined the JCPOA in the first place.

zzzeek 1y ago

this is a misunderstanding of the full context. The US abandoned the Iran nuclear deal in 2018 under Trump's order to withdraw from the agreement (which was, IMO, strictly part of his package to ruin the legacy of Obama, who he despises deeply). This essentially killed the primary reason Iran agreed in the first place, which was relief from sanctions. However the agreement remains in force to this day and is still monitored by the IAEA. So it's not very surprising that Iran resumed their enrichment activities [1] and Trump's actions in 2018 has led to vastly higher tensions between the US/Iran/Israel. It is well established by the IAEA itself that Iran fully honored the terms of the JCPOA up until Trump intentionally ruined the agreement by pulling the US out of it. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_the_Joint_Comprehensive_Plan_of_Action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_...

perihelions 1y ago
That's quite something to read again with the perspective of hindsight. It's highly ironic that the European Commission called the US sanctions on Iran's ballistic missile program illegal (and took actions against them); those same ballistic missiles are being used against Europe today, in Ukraine. That was in 2018; the EU ended up themselves sanctioning Iran for ballistic missiles in 2024, > "In a statement dated 13 September 2024, the EU strongly condemned the recent transfer of Iranian-made ballistic missiles to Russia, considered as a direct threat to European security [sic!] and as a substantive material escalation from the provision of Iranian UAVs and ammunition, which Russia had used in its illegal war of aggression against Ukraine. The High Representative stated that the EU would respond swiftly and in coordination with international partners, including with new and significant restrictive measures against Iran." https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/10/14/iran-seven-individuals-and-seven-entities-sanctioned-in-response-to-iran-s-missile-transfer-to-russia/ https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024... > "The European Union on Monday imposed sanctions on Iran’s deputy defense minister, senior members of its paramilitary Revolutionary Guard and three airlines over allegations that they supplied drones, missiles and other equipment to Russia for use in its war against Ukraine." https://apnews.com/article/eu-russia-drones-missiles-iran-sanctions-78d0dee01817ca4b5feedf18a72bac31 https://apnews.com/article/eu-russia-drones-missiles-iran-sa...

sorcerer-mar 1y ago

Iran complied with the <4% limit throughout the entire period that the United States remained party to the JCPOA. The US (specifically Trump at the behest of Netanyahu) broke the agreement, no one else.

pharrington 1y ago

Yes, that happened 5 years after Trump unilaterally destroyed the Iran nuclear weapons ban deal.