I am absolutely startled by the amount of AfW and BSW apologism on this thread. At some point I have to wonder if this is even organic - especially given that

I am absolutely startled by the amount of AfW and BSW apologism on this thread. At some point I have to wonder if this is even organic - especially given that companies like Upvote Club have openly advertised being able to bypass the bot detectors on HN. And nation state bots have occasionally been on HN - one similar nation state backed disinfo network that Meta cracked down on in 2023 was posting on HN as well.