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> o we only have the choice to assimilate the AI-driven, algorithmic future or to become complete Luddites living on subsistence farming? A few days ago someon

> o we only have the choice to assimilate the AI-driven, algorithmic future or to become complete Luddites living on subsistence farming? A few days ago someone posted an article linking luddites to the NASA moon landing program to AI-generated furry porn. The interesting gist is that Luddites were misrepresented then and continue to be misrepresented today. The Luddite movement isn't conservative nor regressive, it is human!

9rx 1y ago
> The Luddite movement isn't conservative No? To be conservative is to be hesitant of change. I know you say the Luddites have been misrepresented, but if they don't represented at least that much... What do they represent? > it is human! These aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, I expect every human is conservative sometimes.
- bevr1337 1y ago
  The Luddites were not opposed to technology and change. The movement opposed the owning/ruling class's ability to buy and consolidate more labor as technology improved. The Luddite movement would have embraced technology if it benefited labor. It was a workers rights movement.
  - 9rx 1y ago
    > The Luddites were not opposed to technology and change. Conservatives aren't opposed to change, they are only hesitant of it. They worry about what negative effects the change might bring. Like, say, "the owning/ruling class's ability to buy and consolidate more labor as technology improved." I guess the Luddite movement is conservative after all. Not sure what was up with the earlier comment trying to paint some other kind of picture.
    - bevr1337 1y ago
      > I guess the Luddite movement is conservative after all. Sure, +10 points for semantics, but it's missing the point. Maybe my fault for invoking a false liberal/conservative binary. Intriguing to try and reify labor rights as conservative. Definitely a novel argument.
      - 9rx 1y ago
        > but it's missing the point. There was a point to that? Hopefully the Luddites being a labor movement wasn't the point, because I've never heard of it as anything else. It would be pointless to reiterate the obvious. > Intriguing to try and reify labor rights as conservative. The people were conservative[1]. Labor rights aren't human and cannot exhibit human attributes. [1] And also liberal. The difference is only a matter of perspective. As you point out, it is false to think of them as being somehow different. No doubt everyone is both liberal and conservative at the same time, all the time. We use the words merely to indicate at which angle we happen to be looking at someone.
        bevr1337 1y ago
        > because I've never heard of it as anything else. Then it's clear your didn't read my comments. Scroll up and you can see that I am replying to a mischaracterization of Luddites. Here is the original comment that I addressed: > or to become complete Luddites living on subsistence farming?
        9rx 1y ago
        > Then it's clear your didn't read my comments. Whether or not I did is irrelevant. I replied to a specific bit of your comment that wasn't related to the rest of the conversation. If you didn't want to discuss that tangent, why did you bring it up? > Here is the original comment that I addressed Again, that has nothing to do with our conversation. Perhaps it is you who didn't read (meaning here to understand; I know you took in the individual words) my comment?
nolist_policy 1y ago
> A few days ago someone posted an article linking luddites to the NASA moon landing program to AI-generated furry porn. Have a link?
- bevr1337 1y ago
  https://xeiaso.net/blog/2025/rolling-ladder-behind-us/ https://xeiaso.net/blog/2025/rolling-ladder-behind-us/ I found it to be a very fun read. Some neat connections being made.

9rx 1y ago

> The Luddite movement isn't conservative No? To be conservative is to be hesitant of change. I know you say the Luddites have been misrepresented, but if they don't represented at least that much... What do they represent? > it is human! These aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, I expect every human is conservative sometimes.

bevr1337 1y ago
The Luddites were not opposed to technology and change. The movement opposed the owning/ruling class's ability to buy and consolidate more labor as technology improved. The Luddite movement would have embraced technology if it benefited labor. It was a workers rights movement.
- 9rx 1y ago
  > The Luddites were not opposed to technology and change. Conservatives aren't opposed to change, they are only hesitant of it. They worry about what negative effects the change might bring. Like, say, "the owning/ruling class's ability to buy and consolidate more labor as technology improved." I guess the Luddite movement is conservative after all. Not sure what was up with the earlier comment trying to paint some other kind of picture.
  - bevr1337 1y ago
    > I guess the Luddite movement is conservative after all. Sure, +10 points for semantics, but it's missing the point. Maybe my fault for invoking a false liberal/conservative binary. Intriguing to try and reify labor rights as conservative. Definitely a novel argument.
    - 9rx 1y ago
      > but it's missing the point. There was a point to that? Hopefully the Luddites being a labor movement wasn't the point, because I've never heard of it as anything else. It would be pointless to reiterate the obvious. > Intriguing to try and reify labor rights as conservative. The people were conservative[1]. Labor rights aren't human and cannot exhibit human attributes. [1] And also liberal. The difference is only a matter of perspective. As you point out, it is false to think of them as being somehow different. No doubt everyone is both liberal and conservative at the same time, all the time. We use the words merely to indicate at which angle we happen to be looking at someone.
      - bevr1337 1y ago
        > because I've never heard of it as anything else. Then it's clear your didn't read my comments. Scroll up and you can see that I am replying to a mischaracterization of Luddites. Here is the original comment that I addressed: > or to become complete Luddites living on subsistence farming?
        9rx 1y ago
        > Then it's clear your didn't read my comments. Whether or not I did is irrelevant. I replied to a specific bit of your comment that wasn't related to the rest of the conversation. If you didn't want to discuss that tangent, why did you bring it up? > Here is the original comment that I addressed Again, that has nothing to do with our conversation. Perhaps it is you who didn't read (meaning here to understand; I know you took in the individual words) my comment?

nolist_policy 1y ago

> A few days ago someone posted an article linking luddites to the NASA moon landing program to AI-generated furry porn. Have a link?

bevr1337 1y ago
https://xeiaso.net/blog/2025/rolling-ladder-behind-us/ https://xeiaso.net/blog/2025/rolling-ladder-behind-us/ I found it to be a very fun read. Some neat connections being made.