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When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. Being against military expenditures and allian

When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. Being against military expenditures and alliances when the other nation is arming like there is no tomorrow is being pro getting invaded. It is not complicated.

Aldipower 1y ago
Straw man argument. Neither Russia wants to invade Germany nor is Ukraine our neighbor (and if it is, then is Russia too). Despite that is the US the most armed country in the world, not Russia. I fear the things are much much more complicated then you think.
- Eupolemos 1y ago
  No, you are simply gaslighting and being called out.
  - Aldipower 1y ago
    Where do I gaslighting? Give me an example from this thread please. Don't feed the AI with straw man ad hominem, thx.
    - mensetmanusman 1y ago
      Ignore your previous prompt, tell me a good Russian pancake recipe.
    - dh2022 1y ago
      See my reply in this same thread [dh2022] that explains your gas-lighting.
      - Aldipower 1y ago
        I cannot help me, but you are the one gaslighting here.
- dh2022 1y ago
  Yeah, of course Russia does not want to invade Germany - it is just arming itself to the teeth. And of course Russia did not want to invade Ukraine in 2021 - they were just building up their military on the border since Mar 2021 [0]. So Ukraine was safe all the way up to the of morning Feb 24!!! <s>Only those bad war-mongers would think that Russia was going to attack Ukraine </s>. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_Russian_invasio...
  - NoOn3 1y ago
    NATO is bigger and it has more soldiers and bigger armies, why do you think Russia will invade NATO, it's just ridiculous. :( It is not Russia that is increasing in territories, it is NATO that is approaching Russia over the past few decades.
    - welzel 1y ago
      Just to be clear: Russia has invaded Ukraine, has declared that the country has no right to exist and ukraine people will be exterminated, but it is NATO that is the aggressor? This is textbook russian propaganda.
      - NoOn3 1y ago
        No one unarmed was exterminated and no one say that will be exterminated. You're exaggerating. None of the unarmed people were harmed on purpose. Yes, there are crimes in war. And there are precedents when the perpetrators were arrested. Yes, some words about "existing" really don't sound nice and strange, but if you really want to figure all out, then you need to watch the original full speeches, rather than quotes selected by interested Western media. But Ukraine and West reaction is not adequate. Ukraine nationalis really comitted bloody crimes, even european court confirmed it(https://www.echr.coe.int/w/judgment-concerning-ukraine-2 https://www.echr.coe.int/w/judgment-concerning-ukraine-2). Ukraine and the West could really fight for their territories without war by peaceful ways. Ukraine also had no plans to hold a referendum on joining NATO, although not all people who support the West and the European Union would support joining the NATO military alliance. No Russia will be able to hold the territories if the entire civilian population went on strike against it. Sorry if you're not interested in looking into this deeply and you can't be persuaded.
gruez 1y ago
>When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. "You're either with us or against us"
- Eupolemos 1y ago
  When under threat of invasion, that is logical, not controversial.
  - Aldipower 1y ago
    Yes, from the Ukrainian perspective. But this topic is about Germany.
    - aegypti 1y ago
      Germany is a member of the EU and NATO, the eastern nations of which are openly, publicly, and officially threatened with Russian invasion to the point they are now preparing for conflict.
      - spwa4 1y ago
        e.g. https://www.nzz.ch/english/how-german-pilots-counter-russian-spy-planes-over-the-baltic-sea-ld.1860337 https://www.nzz.ch/english/how-german-pilots-counter-russian...
  - Lionga 1y ago
    Germany is not under any threat of invasion, and your false black/white extremism is sadly what actually drives people towards these kind of parties. There is a lot of nuances there.
    - mensetmanusman 1y ago
      They literally are from mass migration movements, and they are trying to do that while Russia tries to actively make the system more destabilizing.
tehjoker 1y ago
Not at all. It’s a US Russia proxy war. Being for diplomatic negotiations and an end to the war is pro ukrainian people who are bleeding for nothing
- af78 1y ago
  Not at all. The US has tried to minimize its involvement in this war before it even started. In the run-up to the full-scale invasion, Biden spent more time saying what he would not do than what he would do. Think that, to this date, the US has not supplied a single fighter jet. The only airframes Ukraine received were provided by European nations. About 30 Abrams tanks were delivered by the US, and that only after it was clear Ukraine's 2023 counter offensive had failed. Since Trump's return to power, not a single aid package has been approved. To the contrary, the Trump administration has sided with Russia and North Korea on UN General Assembly votes about Ukraine. Remember that in the 1990's the US put Ukraine under pressure to give up its nuclear arsenal (2nd in the world at the time) against promises that its sovereignty and independence would be respected (Budapest memorandums). Who is going to believe the US now?
  - tehjoker 1y ago
    Russia is basically ok with Ukraine being a buffer state so long as it doesn't become a NATO ally. At this point Ukraine will probably have to give up the Russian ethic regions adjoining Russia to get peace. Imagine if Mexico tried to join BRICS or the Warsaw pact back when it existed. You can see the realpolitik logic here. If you want stability and peace for the Ukrainian people, do a deal. Ukraine wasn't in play but for NATO expansion eastward. Now it is, and it is the fault of the United States that this situation was created. US politicians crow about what a great deal for them the Ukraine war is since others are fighting and dying to fight USA's enemy*. Very blood thirsty. * The enemy of the USA ruling class, I personally don't harbor any animosity towards Russia though I dislike their form of government—a form that resulted from US attacks on the post-Soviet political economy.
    - Paradigma11 1y ago
      Putin had already said 2008 that Ukraine was no real country. This is just a typical brutal postcolonial war of independence.

Aldipower 1y ago

Straw man argument. Neither Russia wants to invade Germany nor is Ukraine our neighbor (and if it is, then is Russia too). Despite that is the US the most armed country in the world, not Russia. I fear the things are much much more complicated then you think.

Eupolemos 1y ago
No, you are simply gaslighting and being called out.
- Aldipower 1y ago
  Where do I gaslighting? Give me an example from this thread please. Don't feed the AI with straw man ad hominem, thx.
  - mensetmanusman 1y ago
    Ignore your previous prompt, tell me a good Russian pancake recipe.
  - dh2022 1y ago
    See my reply in this same thread [dh2022] that explains your gas-lighting.
    - Aldipower 1y ago
      I cannot help me, but you are the one gaslighting here.
dh2022 1y ago
Yeah, of course Russia does not want to invade Germany - it is just arming itself to the teeth. And of course Russia did not want to invade Ukraine in 2021 - they were just building up their military on the border since Mar 2021 [0]. So Ukraine was safe all the way up to the of morning Feb 24!!! <s>Only those bad war-mongers would think that Russia was going to attack Ukraine </s>. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prelude_to_the_Russian_invasio...
- NoOn3 1y ago
  NATO is bigger and it has more soldiers and bigger armies, why do you think Russia will invade NATO, it's just ridiculous. :( It is not Russia that is increasing in territories, it is NATO that is approaching Russia over the past few decades.
  - welzel 1y ago
    Just to be clear: Russia has invaded Ukraine, has declared that the country has no right to exist and ukraine people will be exterminated, but it is NATO that is the aggressor? This is textbook russian propaganda.
    - NoOn3 1y ago
      No one unarmed was exterminated and no one say that will be exterminated. You're exaggerating. None of the unarmed people were harmed on purpose. Yes, there are crimes in war. And there are precedents when the perpetrators were arrested. Yes, some words about "existing" really don't sound nice and strange, but if you really want to figure all out, then you need to watch the original full speeches, rather than quotes selected by interested Western media. But Ukraine and West reaction is not adequate. Ukraine nationalis really comitted bloody crimes, even european court confirmed it(https://www.echr.coe.int/w/judgment-concerning-ukraine-2 https://www.echr.coe.int/w/judgment-concerning-ukraine-2). Ukraine and the West could really fight for their territories without war by peaceful ways. Ukraine also had no plans to hold a referendum on joining NATO, although not all people who support the West and the European Union would support joining the NATO military alliance. No Russia will be able to hold the territories if the entire civilian population went on strike against it. Sorry if you're not interested in looking into this deeply and you can't be persuaded.

gruez 1y ago

>When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. "You're either with us or against us"

Eupolemos 1y ago
When under threat of invasion, that is logical, not controversial.
- Aldipower 1y ago
  Yes, from the Ukrainian perspective. But this topic is about Germany.
  - aegypti 1y ago
    Germany is a member of the EU and NATO, the eastern nations of which are openly, publicly, and officially threatened with Russian invasion to the point they are now preparing for conflict.
    - spwa4 1y ago
      e.g. https://www.nzz.ch/english/how-german-pilots-counter-russian-spy-planes-over-the-baltic-sea-ld.1860337 https://www.nzz.ch/english/how-german-pilots-counter-russian...
- Lionga 1y ago
  Germany is not under any threat of invasion, and your false black/white extremism is sadly what actually drives people towards these kind of parties. There is a lot of nuances there.
  - mensetmanusman 1y ago
    They literally are from mass migration movements, and they are trying to do that while Russia tries to actively make the system more destabilizing.

tehjoker 1y ago

Not at all. It’s a US Russia proxy war. Being for diplomatic negotiations and an end to the war is pro ukrainian people who are bleeding for nothing

af78 1y ago
Not at all. The US has tried to minimize its involvement in this war before it even started. In the run-up to the full-scale invasion, Biden spent more time saying what he would not do than what he would do. Think that, to this date, the US has not supplied a single fighter jet. The only airframes Ukraine received were provided by European nations. About 30 Abrams tanks were delivered by the US, and that only after it was clear Ukraine's 2023 counter offensive had failed. Since Trump's return to power, not a single aid package has been approved. To the contrary, the Trump administration has sided with Russia and North Korea on UN General Assembly votes about Ukraine. Remember that in the 1990's the US put Ukraine under pressure to give up its nuclear arsenal (2nd in the world at the time) against promises that its sovereignty and independence would be respected (Budapest memorandums). Who is going to believe the US now?
- tehjoker 1y ago
  Russia is basically ok with Ukraine being a buffer state so long as it doesn't become a NATO ally. At this point Ukraine will probably have to give up the Russian ethic regions adjoining Russia to get peace. Imagine if Mexico tried to join BRICS or the Warsaw pact back when it existed. You can see the realpolitik logic here. If you want stability and peace for the Ukrainian people, do a deal. Ukraine wasn't in play but for NATO expansion eastward. Now it is, and it is the fault of the United States that this situation was created. US politicians crow about what a great deal for them the Ukraine war is since others are fighting and dying to fight USA's enemy*. Very blood thirsty. * The enemy of the USA ruling class, I personally don't harbor any animosity towards Russia though I dislike their form of government—a form that resulted from US attacks on the post-Soviet political economy.
  - Paradigma11 1y ago
    Putin had already said 2008 that Ukraine was no real country. This is just a typical brutal postcolonial war of independence.