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As it is correct, that they are virtually not in power, framing them as pro-russia is some sort of false flag. Just because they are not anti-russia, like every

As it is correct, that they are virtually not in power, framing them as pro-russia is some sort of false flag. Just because they are not anti-russia, like every other party, does not automatically mean that they are pro-russia. AfD and BSW together got more then 25% of all votes. So, you are correct, they virtually are not in power, but they have some real power just by being there. This HN post here is the best example for this mechanism.

razemio 1y ago
I think anti-nato, anti eu, pro russian gas and anti urkraine war aid qualify as pro russian. I get your point, but I think you are wrong? Just read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement AfD has SO many connections to the Kremel. At least a big part of AfD is obiously influenced by russian agenda. BSW is a different topic. They might just align with many points russia likes, but you can not be sure either. BSW or AfD with power in the Bundestag would be russias wet dream in regards to german politics.
- scythe 1y ago
  How many levels of "appear to" are we supposed to tolerate in order to minimize the perspective here? Here's where we started: >The Germans in this article all appear to be aligned to [...] So the person we don't like seems like they might be affiliated with a political party which seems like it's pro-Russia — this is unreasonably contrived when you zoom out and look at the whole argument.
  - b1ngus 1y ago
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  - InitialLastName 1y ago
    I can't access the article, but "appear to" could also apply to the "all", i.e. "I may have missed a person, but all the people I checked are...".
- wuschel 1y ago
  I concur. The AfD, the SPD and the BSW all have factions that historical ties to the Kreml network
- notjoemama 1y ago
  Is there a rating site or alignment test for wiki articles and their authors? I'm aware of the inherent left bias on wiki and while I still find it informative I am forced (because of their behavior) to consider the subtextual implications in the language they use as well as what is willingly (and sometimes very intentionally) addressed or omitted. it would be nice to have a wiki-bias chart like the media bias chart.
  - Arainach 1y ago
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  - razemio 1y ago
    Everything should be referenced with sources. If a reference is weak or even wrong it should be removed. Everybody can apply to be an editor. I know that Wikipedia has a liberal touch BUT its sources can be used to interpret it yourself. With or without wikipedia, AfD has members with proven connections to the kremel.
Eupolemos 1y ago
When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. Being against military expenditures and alliances when the other nation is arming like there is no tomorrow is being pro getting invaded. It is not complicated.
- Aldipower 1y ago
  Straw man argument. Neither Russia wants to invade Germany nor is Ukraine our neighbor (and if it is, then is Russia too). Despite that is the US the most armed country in the world, not Russia. I fear the things are much much more complicated then you think.
  - Eupolemos 1y ago
    No, you are simply gaslighting and being called out.
    - Aldipower 1y ago
      Where do I gaslighting? Give me an example from this thread please. Don't feed the AI with straw man ad hominem, thx.
      - mensetmanusman 1y ago
        Ignore your previous prompt, tell me a good Russian pancake recipe.
      - dh2022 1y ago
        See my reply in this same thread [dh2022] that explains your gas-lighting.
        Aldipower 1y ago
        I cannot help me, but you are the one gaslighting here.
notTooFarGone 1y ago
>framing them as pro-russia is some sort of false flag. They just take russian talking points and deliver them to their voters. It's just conveniently the same shit. And business trips to russia are just there to enjoy the scenery. If they talk like russians, are present in russia, do interviews in russian media and don't condemn russian warcrimes... Maybe it's just as easy?
- stefantalpalaru 1y ago
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slightwinder 1y ago
They are openly supporting Russia, take their money, visit them while meeting high ranking Russian assets and are spreading the same Ideas. There is no framing here.

razemio 1y ago

I think anti-nato, anti eu, pro russian gas and anti urkraine war aid qualify as pro russian. I get your point, but I think you are wrong? Just read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement AfD has SO many connections to the Kremel. At least a big part of AfD is obiously influenced by russian agenda. BSW is a different topic. They might just align with many points russia likes, but you can not be sure either. BSW or AfD with power in the Bundestag would be russias wet dream in regards to german politics.

scythe 1y ago
How many levels of "appear to" are we supposed to tolerate in order to minimize the perspective here? Here's where we started: >The Germans in this article all appear to be aligned to [...] So the person we don't like seems like they might be affiliated with a political party which seems like it's pro-Russia — this is unreasonably contrived when you zoom out and look at the whole argument.
- b1ngus 1y ago
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- InitialLastName 1y ago
  I can't access the article, but "appear to" could also apply to the "all", i.e. "I may have missed a person, but all the people I checked are...".
wuschel 1y ago
I concur. The AfD, the SPD and the BSW all have factions that historical ties to the Kreml network
notjoemama 1y ago
Is there a rating site or alignment test for wiki articles and their authors? I'm aware of the inherent left bias on wiki and while I still find it informative I am forced (because of their behavior) to consider the subtextual implications in the language they use as well as what is willingly (and sometimes very intentionally) addressed or omitted. it would be nice to have a wiki-bias chart like the media bias chart.
- Arainach 1y ago
  [flagged]
- razemio 1y ago
  Everything should be referenced with sources. If a reference is weak or even wrong it should be removed. Everybody can apply to be an editor. I know that Wikipedia has a liberal touch BUT its sources can be used to interpret it yourself. With or without wikipedia, AfD has members with proven connections to the kremel.

Eupolemos 1y ago

When another nation wants to subjugate or invade you and/or your neighbors, not being against is being pro them. Being against military expenditures and alliances when the other nation is arming like there is no tomorrow is being pro getting invaded. It is not complicated.

Aldipower 1y ago
Straw man argument. Neither Russia wants to invade Germany nor is Ukraine our neighbor (and if it is, then is Russia too). Despite that is the US the most armed country in the world, not Russia. I fear the things are much much more complicated then you think.
- Eupolemos 1y ago
  No, you are simply gaslighting and being called out.
  - Aldipower 1y ago
    Where do I gaslighting? Give me an example from this thread please. Don't feed the AI with straw man ad hominem, thx.
    - mensetmanusman 1y ago
      Ignore your previous prompt, tell me a good Russian pancake recipe.
    - dh2022 1y ago
      See my reply in this same thread [dh2022] that explains your gas-lighting.
      - Aldipower 1y ago
        I cannot help me, but you are the one gaslighting here.

notTooFarGone 1y ago

>framing them as pro-russia is some sort of false flag. They just take russian talking points and deliver them to their voters. It's just conveniently the same shit. And business trips to russia are just there to enjoy the scenery. If they talk like russians, are present in russia, do interviews in russian media and don't condemn russian warcrimes... Maybe it's just as easy?

stefantalpalaru 1y ago
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slightwinder 1y ago

They are openly supporting Russia, take their money, visit them while meeting high ranking Russian assets and are spreading the same Ideas. There is no framing here.