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> Please also note that AfD has become the strongest party in Germany It has not. They got 20% in the last Bundestag election, compared to 28.4% for CDU. Unles

> Please also note that AfD has become the strongest party in Germany It has not. They got 20% in the last Bundestag election, compared to 28.4% for CDU. Unless they get significantly stronger it seems very unlikely that anyone wants to be in a coalition with them on the short or medium horizon.

sharpshadow 1y ago
In the latest polls they surpassed the CDU. It was the moment when Merz announced 1 Trillion money rain after campaign to not make new debts.
- eqvinox 1y ago
  Polls != 'strongest' party. You need actual power for that latter label. Which is not far off for the AfD, but really not there right now. If/when the coalition starts infighting, then…
  - mdavid626 1y ago
    I’m not sure what to say. We can talk about the exact meaning of the words, but it doesn’t really matter. I’m not saying AfD is good or bad, just telling you the facts. AfD surpassed CDU (not the union!) in the latest polls. In the last elections they “won” in east Germany. You can’t block a party, if half the country votes for it. Let’s see what’s coming.
    - eqvinox 1y ago
      I'm not even disagreeing, just right now the AfD does not have actual power yet. They cannot make federal laws or decide policy. They probably will be able to do that either after the next election or after the government coalition collapses. But as of now all they can do is b*tch and moan. Btw, who says you can't block a party just because half the country voted for them? You can't wish the sentiment away, yes, but you can totally force them to rebuild the party infrastructure. Again and again, if needed, if they keep making an illegal extremist party.
- bc569a80a344f9c 1y ago
  https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/ https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/ No, they haven't. Not a single poll has them surpassing the CDU. I genuinely don't understand why you'd lie about something like that. It's trivial to look it up.
  - mdavid626 1y ago
    When someone has a different opinion, it doesn’t mean they are lying. Please stop this thinking. Also would make sense to read carefully. AfD has more votes in the polls than CDU (not the union CDU/CSU! - which are essentially two parties).
    - fabian2k 1y ago
      For this kind of comparison you have to treat CDU/CSU as a single party. They're always counted as one in national polls. It is very confusing and misleading to treat them separately in this kind of national comparison.
  - sharpshadow 1y ago
    There are a couple of different polls and I really don’t care about them, just remembered that there was a moment when AFD surpassed CDU[0] and if I recall correctly it was when Merz announced the big debt package. 0. https://politpro.eu/de/deutschland/wahlumfragen/63948/forsa/2025-04-17 https://politpro.eu/de/deutschland/wahlumfragen/63948/forsa/...
mdavid626 1y ago
CDU/CSU got 28%, CSU around 5%. The latest polls indicate AfD surpassing CDU (not the union!).

sharpshadow 1y ago

In the latest polls they surpassed the CDU. It was the moment when Merz announced 1 Trillion money rain after campaign to not make new debts.

eqvinox 1y ago
Polls != 'strongest' party. You need actual power for that latter label. Which is not far off for the AfD, but really not there right now. If/when the coalition starts infighting, then…
- mdavid626 1y ago
  I’m not sure what to say. We can talk about the exact meaning of the words, but it doesn’t really matter. I’m not saying AfD is good or bad, just telling you the facts. AfD surpassed CDU (not the union!) in the latest polls. In the last elections they “won” in east Germany. You can’t block a party, if half the country votes for it. Let’s see what’s coming.
  - eqvinox 1y ago
    I'm not even disagreeing, just right now the AfD does not have actual power yet. They cannot make federal laws or decide policy. They probably will be able to do that either after the next election or after the government coalition collapses. But as of now all they can do is b*tch and moan. Btw, who says you can't block a party just because half the country voted for them? You can't wish the sentiment away, yes, but you can totally force them to rebuild the party infrastructure. Again and again, if needed, if they keep making an illegal extremist party.
bc569a80a344f9c 1y ago
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/ https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/ No, they haven't. Not a single poll has them surpassing the CDU. I genuinely don't understand why you'd lie about something like that. It's trivial to look it up.
- mdavid626 1y ago
  When someone has a different opinion, it doesn’t mean they are lying. Please stop this thinking. Also would make sense to read carefully. AfD has more votes in the polls than CDU (not the union CDU/CSU! - which are essentially two parties).
  - fabian2k 1y ago
    For this kind of comparison you have to treat CDU/CSU as a single party. They're always counted as one in national polls. It is very confusing and misleading to treat them separately in this kind of national comparison.
- sharpshadow 1y ago
  There are a couple of different polls and I really don’t care about them, just remembered that there was a moment when AFD surpassed CDU[0] and if I recall correctly it was when Merz announced the big debt package. 0. https://politpro.eu/de/deutschland/wahlumfragen/63948/forsa/2025-04-17 https://politpro.eu/de/deutschland/wahlumfragen/63948/forsa/...

mdavid626 1y ago

CDU/CSU got 28%, CSU around 5%. The latest polls indicate AfD surpassing CDU (not the union!).