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Qubes is definitely hard to daily drive. With it's ancient default XFCE design, it looks really ugly. Plus no hardware acceleration

fsflover 1y ago
What's hard about it exactly? It's my daily driver. You can install KDE, too: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kde-changing-the-way-you-use-qubes/4730 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kde-changing-the-way-you-use-qu...
- udev4096 1y ago
  More power usage, need at least 64G of ram to even remotely use it as it's intended, no hardware acc by default, buggy templates, sleep is broken, uses X11 for display, dom0 is not updated as frequently as it should be and I hardly see any effort in documenting the fact that individual VMs's security matter too. That is not to say I hate Qubes. I think everyone, especially people dealing with sensitive data, should use it
  - fsflover 1y ago
    > More power usage True, it's the price for security. > need at least 64G of ram to even remotely use it as it's intended This is false. I'm using it on a 32G machine never meeting the limit. If you use minimal templates, you can easily work on a 8G machine. > no hardware acc by default They're working on on it: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 > buggy templates What are you even talking about? I'm using Qubes as my daily driver and don't have any problems with the templates. > sleep is broken It works flawlessly on my Librem 14. > uses X11 for display Why is this a problem? See also: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3366 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3366 > dom0 is not updated as frequently as it should be Should be for what? No software should be run in dom0, so its updates are not relevant: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/dom0-secure-updates/#reasons-for-dom0-updates https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/dom0-secure-updates/#reasons-fo... and https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-install-software-in-dom0/#security https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-install-software-in-dom0... > I hardly see any effort in documenting the fact that individual VMs's security matter too https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4233 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4233 Also, Kicksecure template is already available: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kicksecure-template-for-qubes-testers-wanted/33793 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kicksecure-template-for-qubes-t...
nullc 1y ago
I think XFCE is much more attractive and usable than gnome stuff. In particular the buttons have borders so you can actually find them. Video performance is a fair criticism for sure. But is perpetual 0day RCE's in browsers and other highly exposed software is not running Qubes really a credible choice?
- udev4096 1y ago
  Sure, assess the threat model. I would also take security over convenience anytime, just like you proposed. But for normal users, it's not that simple. I use qubes in my testbox, I love it but it's still quite niche and sadly, far from hitting mainstream
- udev4096 1y ago
  On a separate note, I stalked your site and it seems you worked on bitcoin. I would love to hear about it, was it the early days?

fsflover 1y ago

What's hard about it exactly? It's my daily driver. You can install KDE, too: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kde-changing-the-way-you-use-qubes/4730 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kde-changing-the-way-you-use-qu...

udev4096 1y ago
More power usage, need at least 64G of ram to even remotely use it as it's intended, no hardware acc by default, buggy templates, sleep is broken, uses X11 for display, dom0 is not updated as frequently as it should be and I hardly see any effort in documenting the fact that individual VMs's security matter too. That is not to say I hate Qubes. I think everyone, especially people dealing with sensitive data, should use it
- fsflover 1y ago
  > More power usage True, it's the price for security. > need at least 64G of ram to even remotely use it as it's intended This is false. I'm using it on a 32G machine never meeting the limit. If you use minimal templates, you can easily work on a 8G machine. > no hardware acc by default They're working on on it: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/8552 > buggy templates What are you even talking about? I'm using Qubes as my daily driver and don't have any problems with the templates. > sleep is broken It works flawlessly on my Librem 14. > uses X11 for display Why is this a problem? See also: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3366 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3366 > dom0 is not updated as frequently as it should be Should be for what? No software should be run in dom0, so its updates are not relevant: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/dom0-secure-updates/#reasons-for-dom0-updates https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/dom0-secure-updates/#reasons-fo... and https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-install-software-in-dom0/#security https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/how-to-install-software-in-dom0... > I hardly see any effort in documenting the fact that individual VMs's security matter too https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4233 https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/4233 Also, Kicksecure template is already available: https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kicksecure-template-for-qubes-testers-wanted/33793 https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/kicksecure-template-for-qubes-t...

nullc 1y ago

I think XFCE is much more attractive and usable than gnome stuff. In particular the buttons have borders so you can actually find them. Video performance is a fair criticism for sure. But is perpetual 0day RCE's in browsers and other highly exposed software is not running Qubes really a credible choice?

udev4096 1y ago
Sure, assess the threat model. I would also take security over convenience anytime, just like you proposed. But for normal users, it's not that simple. I use qubes in my testbox, I love it but it's still quite niche and sadly, far from hitting mainstream
udev4096 1y ago
On a separate note, I stalked your site and it seems you worked on bitcoin. I would love to hear about it, was it the early days?