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> Here, we're specifically discussing the 1200 mile range of the new BYD battery just put out for field trials. While tesla did build an EV company mostly with

> Here, we're specifically discussing the 1200 mile range of the new BYD battery just put out for field trials. While tesla did build an EV company mostly with onshore production, this was via a practice that is regularly being called a foul in criticism of the Chinese EV development model: government subsidies. Tesla received massive subsidies from the US federal government, and the California state government to establish it's factory in the east bay. Friend, I've lived in Michigan, in an area of The Rust Belt known as Automation Alley, my entire life. I'm the 4th generation of my family to live here working in and around the big 3 auto manufacturers. I can tell you that every major manufacturer receives massive subsidies in the form of tax breaks, government investment, land, infrastructure, etc. Even the Chinese manufacturers. Always have. > But this factory was to build cars, not new battery tech. It seems they built the world's 4th largest battery factory in terms of production capacity in Nevada: https://electronsx.com/battery-gigafactories.php https://electronsx.com/battery-gigafactories.php > This industry resistance The US has 6 of the world's 10 largest battery factories according to that link. > But instead of innovation, we're seeing "corporations are people" and "our bribery is our free speech" arguments propping up a resistance to disruptive, but broadly beneficial new technology. You sound frustrated with politics. I think it's designed to do that. > But this isn't the promise of the benefits of the magical market forces. This is why I call it a lie. Telsa got government subsidies to build an EV, in the US, but this still didn't really do anything to push the US ahead in overcoming the shortcomings of EVs (namely the cost and capacity of batteries). Your characterization of building the world's 4th largest battery factory, and the nation's largest charging network as "didn't really do anything" challenges your credibility. > This comes to my last point: most Americans have become lost in their "culture war identities". Much of your comment certainly seems this way to me. Lots of politically charged opinion which seems to contradict the numbers. Who profits from it?

johnea 1y ago
Politically charged opinions aren't necessarily associated with culture war identity. People can have individually reached conclusions. My individually reached conclusion is that the big 3 are obsolete manufacturers of last centuries technology. If the big 3 US auto makers can't keep up with technical innovation, they should go bankrupt, displaced by more innovative competitors. If the tri-opoly can't be displaced by domestic competition, it should be displaced by foreign competition.
- timschmidt 1y ago
  > If the tri-opoly can't be displaced by domestic competition, it should be displaced by foreign competition Thankfully, there are folks in decision making positions who consider things like national security to be as important as the latest feature or lowest price.

johnea 1y ago

Politically charged opinions aren't necessarily associated with culture war identity. People can have individually reached conclusions. My individually reached conclusion is that the big 3 are obsolete manufacturers of last centuries technology. If the big 3 US auto makers can't keep up with technical innovation, they should go bankrupt, displaced by more innovative competitors. If the tri-opoly can't be displaced by domestic competition, it should be displaced by foreign competition.

timschmidt 1y ago
> If the tri-opoly can't be displaced by domestic competition, it should be displaced by foreign competition Thankfully, there are folks in decision making positions who consider things like national security to be as important as the latest feature or lowest price.