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In fact, now that you know this picture was manipulated by the source, I’d urge you to have it removed from your photo archives. Permanently. Uh, Neil Armstron

by jyap 14y ago

In fact, now that you know this picture was manipulated by the source, I’d urge you to have it removed from your photo archives. Permanently. Uh, Neil Armstrong had a Hasselblad camera strapped to his chest. I'd say excuse the lack of sky composition. Besides, the original picture also captures the lander in the composition. Wouldn't you want more photographic detail in a moon landing operation photo instead of one which is more harmoniously composed but contains useless black sky? But like I said, he's taking pictures with a camera strapped to his chest. .. And who cares if it isn't a picture of Neil? It is the best representation of the feat and overall project. Besides, he took the picture.

batista 14y ago
>.. And who cares if it isn't a picture of Neil? Editors searching for pictures of Neil? Because he was the one that died recently and they have to write stories about him?
- jyap 14y ago
  The only people who care that it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong are: - People who know it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong and feel like they need to point that out. - People who are bothered by the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him. Either way, he took the picture. He took one of the most famous pictures. If the caption to the picture reads "Buzz Aldrin as captured by Neil Armstrong", who cares? Have you ever seen a caption which says that it is Neil Armstrong? I haven't. People just assume it is because he is the best known since he was the first man on the moon.
  - batista 14y ago
    >If the caption to the picture reads "Buzz Aldrin as captured by Neil Armstrong", who cares? I _effin_ care. E.g. I want a picture of Neil Armstrong for my article. Not a picture that _he_ took of somebody else. Not a quick sketch he did of his cat. I want a picture of HIM, preferably on the moon. That he "took the picture" is meaningless for the purposes of _showing_ the man in action. If I was writing about Knuth I wouldn't post a picture of McCarthy he took and caption it "John McCarthy as captured by D. Knuth". As someone who used to do photo editing for a newspaper, I assure you that this is Photo Editing 101. Your arguments are loco.
    - sp332 14y ago
      From http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html#5903 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html#5903 here's an (analog, darkroom) reconstruction of the photo of Neil in Buzz's helmet. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.neil-mirror.jpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.neil-mirror.jpg
    - jyap 14y ago
      Find me a credible publication that will: A) Use the mentioned picture as the centerpiece to their article. B) State incorrectly that it is a picture of Neil Armstrong. Neither is likely to happen. It is just a common misconception that it is a picture of Neil Armstrong since it is the most famous picture of the mission and because people know Neil Armstrong. People see the picture and assume it is Neil Armstrong. Credible publications won't use the picture. The parent article makes out that there aren't many pictures of Neil Armstrong. They will most likely use the one mentioned taken by Buzz Aldrin or this one: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/25/1345929814833/Neil-Armstrong-008.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/20...
      - batista 14y ago
        >Neither is likely to happen. You'd be surprised. With the cost cutting of proof checking and editorial departments, and the rush to catch internet time news, I've seen much much worse misattributions and even hoaxes running around in respectable publications (far from only online ones).
      - lkbm 14y ago
        The Atlantic doesn't state who it is, but Aldrin's name appears nowhere in the text: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/neil-armstrong/261575/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/neil-arm...
        Hovertruck 14y ago
        The file's name is also "Neil_armstrong.jpg"
  - sausagefeet 14y ago
    Slight inaccuracy? What?
  - chollida1 14y ago
    > - People who are bothered by the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him. Umm the fact that its a picture of some one else is way more than a "slight" inaccuracy. you could probably replace photos of Stalin and Churchill and no one would care about that "slight inaccuracy" :)
    - rz2k 14y ago
      How about if the central photograph at a Churchill monument was a photograph of Stalin taken by Churchill taken at Yalta? Surely, that would only be a slight detail.
  - jopt 14y ago
    What. Slight? What could be more inaccurate?
    - jaylevitt 14y ago
      Picture of Don Walsh or Jacques Piccard, first to descend into the Mariana Trench?
  - pbreit 14y ago
    > the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him Slight? Jyap, I think you're wrong on this one and digging yourself a bigger whole. In journalism, it's certainly an obvious problem. But even amongst amateurs who prefer accuracy, it's clearly a problem. A picture of a different person is hardly a "slight inaccuracy". It is a complete and major innacuracy.
flyinRyan 14y ago
>Uh, Neil Armstrong had a Hasselblad camera strapped to his chest. I'd say excuse the lack of sky composition. No, that's not what he's talking about at all. He's talking to photo journalists and he's saying if you have the doctored photo (the one with the skyline) delete it from your archives. Because you can't use it for many publications. >And who cares if it isn't a picture of Neil? It is the best representation of the feat and overall project. Besides, he took the picture. So every other paper can't print an article about how stupid you are that you put a picture of some other guy to represent Neil Armstrong?

by jyap 14y ago

batista 14y ago

>.. And who cares if it isn't a picture of Neil? Editors searching for pictures of Neil? Because he was the one that died recently and they have to write stories about him?

jyap 14y ago
The only people who care that it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong are: - People who know it isn't a picture of Neil Armstrong and feel like they need to point that out. - People who are bothered by the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him. Either way, he took the picture. He took one of the most famous pictures. If the caption to the picture reads "Buzz Aldrin as captured by Neil Armstrong", who cares? Have you ever seen a caption which says that it is Neil Armstrong? I haven't. People just assume it is because he is the best known since he was the first man on the moon.
- batista 14y ago
  >If the caption to the picture reads "Buzz Aldrin as captured by Neil Armstrong", who cares? I _effin_ care. E.g. I want a picture of Neil Armstrong for my article. Not a picture that _he_ took of somebody else. Not a quick sketch he did of his cat. I want a picture of HIM, preferably on the moon. That he "took the picture" is meaningless for the purposes of _showing_ the man in action. If I was writing about Knuth I wouldn't post a picture of McCarthy he took and caption it "John McCarthy as captured by D. Knuth". As someone who used to do photo editing for a newspaper, I assure you that this is Photo Editing 101. Your arguments are loco.
  - sp332 14y ago
    From http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html#5903 http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/images11.html#5903 here's an (analog, darkroom) reconstruction of the photo of Neil in Buzz's helmet. http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.neil-mirror.jpg http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11.neil-mirror.jpg
  - jyap 14y ago
    Find me a credible publication that will: A) Use the mentioned picture as the centerpiece to their article. B) State incorrectly that it is a picture of Neil Armstrong. Neither is likely to happen. It is just a common misconception that it is a picture of Neil Armstrong since it is the most famous picture of the mission and because people know Neil Armstrong. People see the picture and assume it is Neil Armstrong. Credible publications won't use the picture. The parent article makes out that there aren't many pictures of Neil Armstrong. They will most likely use the one mentioned taken by Buzz Aldrin or this one: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/8/25/1345929814833/Neil-Armstrong-008.jpg http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/20...
    - batista 14y ago
      >Neither is likely to happen. You'd be surprised. With the cost cutting of proof checking and editorial departments, and the rush to catch internet time news, I've seen much much worse misattributions and even hoaxes running around in respectable publications (far from only online ones).
    - lkbm 14y ago
      The Atlantic doesn't state who it is, but Aldrin's name appears nowhere in the text: http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/neil-armstrong/261575/ http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/08/neil-arm...
      - Hovertruck 14y ago
        The file's name is also "Neil_armstrong.jpg"
- sausagefeet 14y ago
  Slight inaccuracy? What?
- chollida1 14y ago
  > - People who are bothered by the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him. Umm the fact that its a picture of some one else is way more than a "slight" inaccuracy. you could probably replace photos of Stalin and Churchill and no one would care about that "slight inaccuracy" :)
  - rz2k 14y ago
    How about if the central photograph at a Churchill monument was a photograph of Stalin taken by Churchill taken at Yalta? Surely, that would only be a slight detail.
- jopt 14y ago
  What. Slight? What could be more inaccurate?
  - jaylevitt 14y ago
    Picture of Don Walsh or Jacques Piccard, first to descend into the Mariana Trench?
- pbreit 14y ago
  > the slight inaccuracy that it isn't a picture taken of him Slight? Jyap, I think you're wrong on this one and digging yourself a bigger whole. In journalism, it's certainly an obvious problem. But even amongst amateurs who prefer accuracy, it's clearly a problem. A picture of a different person is hardly a "slight inaccuracy". It is a complete and major innacuracy.

flyinRyan 14y ago

>Uh, Neil Armstrong had a Hasselblad camera strapped to his chest. I'd say excuse the lack of sky composition. No, that's not what he's talking about at all. He's talking to photo journalists and he's saying if you have the doctored photo (the one with the skyline) delete it from your archives. Because you can't use it for many publications. >And who cares if it isn't a picture of Neil? It is the best representation of the feat and overall project. Besides, he took the picture. So every other paper can't print an article about how stupid you are that you put a picture of some other guy to represent Neil Armstrong?