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Obviously complicated and dangerous, but I’m surprised (or, not really) how many people here are quick to condemn Israel and the US, with no consideration that

Obviously complicated and dangerous, but I’m surprised (or, not really) how many people here are quick to condemn Israel and the US, with no consideration that the official Iranian policy is the ELIMINATION of Israel. Of course Israel cannot allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Israel has many nukes, and in fact does not commit genocide, despite being capable. Some Islamic regimes would be much more likely to use that power, IMO.

tasuki 1y ago
> Israel has many nukes, and in fact does not commit genocide This is being debated. A European judge who questioned this recently had his email access revoked by Microsoft.
- dlubarov 1y ago
  You mean Khan? The charges he tried to prosecute didn't include genocide. Khan's initial list included extermination, but that was rejected by the pre-trial chamber.
croes 1y ago
The question is if Iran really was nearly capable of building nukes. Everything else doesn’t matter as long the words aren’t followed by action.
- Rover222 1y ago
  Of course they were near. Their mostly highly enriched uranium could have been further enriched to a crude bomb level within weeks. The question is not if they were near, but if they intended on crossing that line. Not something that Israel could just sit and wait for.
  - croes 1y ago
    Source for that? Here it‘s less clear https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn840275p5yo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn840275p5yo Sound more like Musk‘s „FSD is ready next year“
    - dlubarov 1y ago
      Maybe they were far from implementing modern nuclear weapon designs, but there are simple applications like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-type_fission_weapon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-type_fission_weapon delivered by ground. With that approach the bomb assembly is pretty straightforward engineering once they have sufficiently enriched uranium (which they already did the bulk of the work for).
      - croes 1y ago
        Seems like they are near the bomb for the last 13 years https://youtu.be/3Q08a7BI9XI?si=hRszAlQVMOLjJCg7&t=428 https://youtu.be/3Q08a7BI9XI?si=hRszAlQVMOLjJCg7&t=428 How often can you cry wolf?
        dlubarov 1y ago
        Regardless of whether any past claims were misleading or what not, today noone disputes that Iran has a large stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, and is officially in breach of their NPT obligations per the IAEA board.

tasuki 1y ago

> Israel has many nukes, and in fact does not commit genocide This is being debated. A European judge who questioned this recently had his email access revoked by Microsoft.

dlubarov 1y ago
You mean Khan? The charges he tried to prosecute didn't include genocide. Khan's initial list included extermination, but that was rejected by the pre-trial chamber.

croes 1y ago

The question is if Iran really was nearly capable of building nukes. Everything else doesn’t matter as long the words aren’t followed by action.

Rover222 1y ago
Of course they were near. Their mostly highly enriched uranium could have been further enriched to a crude bomb level within weeks. The question is not if they were near, but if they intended on crossing that line. Not something that Israel could just sit and wait for.
- croes 1y ago
  Source for that? Here it‘s less clear https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn840275p5yo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn840275p5yo Sound more like Musk‘s „FSD is ready next year“
  - dlubarov 1y ago
    Maybe they were far from implementing modern nuclear weapon designs, but there are simple applications like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-type_fission_weapon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-type_fission_weapon delivered by ground. With that approach the bomb assembly is pretty straightforward engineering once they have sufficiently enriched uranium (which they already did the bulk of the work for).
    - croes 1y ago
      Seems like they are near the bomb for the last 13 years https://youtu.be/3Q08a7BI9XI?si=hRszAlQVMOLjJCg7&t=428 https://youtu.be/3Q08a7BI9XI?si=hRszAlQVMOLjJCg7&t=428 How often can you cry wolf?
      - dlubarov 1y ago
        Regardless of whether any past claims were misleading or what not, today noone disputes that Iran has a large stockpile of 60% enriched uranium, and is officially in breach of their NPT obligations per the IAEA board.