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Iranian people hate the Ayatollahs. They execute any opposition. The populace is literally dying for change.

by GlacierFox 1y ago

swat535 1y ago
Yes, they do but they love IRAN even more. Defending the country against hostile forces is going to be their priority.
- GlacierFox 1y ago
  Which hostile forces? The US has attacked nuclear sites which they're using to build Nuclear bombs, not sent a warhead into Tehran. I think you're underestimating the dissatisfaction of the Iranian people people with the death cult in charge.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    How about you Google SAVAK and then get back to me on how receptive you think Iranian citizens are of American "guidance" under "democratic leadership" and all that jazz. I think you're underestimating how many Iranians the CIA allowed to be tortured and raped in the Shahist regime. Agree to disagree?
    - spwa4 1y ago
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      - bigyabai 1y ago
        Yes. America's "liberator complex" is pretty much the #1 reason we got dicked down in Vietnam despite expecting a decisive victory.
        spwa4 1y ago
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        bigyabai 1y ago
        I am so sorry that you insist on being humiliated like this: https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e
        spwa4 1y ago
        Can I ask you an honest question? Why would this be humiliating? I get that the whole world likes to blame the CIA for Iran ... despite of course socialists (by which I mean the socialist international, as well as socialists in the sense of worldwide protests) of course having much more to do with the rise of the Iranian regime, and indeed supporting the Iranian regime even after it became clear that they like to attack, even kill, their own people just for propaganda. That does not make the Sha's actions ok ... I get that, but the point was that they do not compare. But more: even if I'm wrong, why would that be humiliating? Also: I'm a geek. Perhaps a bit older but not (much) different. I do not really feel much if everyone disagrees with me. That happens regularly, and whilst I'm definitely wrong on occasion, I've done very well disagreeing with everyone too.
    - GlacierFox 1y ago
      So they're more concerned about something that was dissolved in 1979 more than the backward theocratic death cult in charge today? aGrEe tO dIsAgReE?
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        Yes. Iran did have a democratically-elected Prime Minister before they were removed in a joint US-Israeli coup d'état. Iranians are perfectly justified in viewing America as the enemy of democratic reform. They are also justified in their worry over Israel installing a worse theocratic death cult, as I argued above.
        GlacierFox 1y ago
        Ah well, let's just leave them be then. The people are upset. You're right. We should just let them enrich a little more uranium and hope for the best.
  - karmakurtisaani 1y ago
    What would happen to American patriotism if China "pre-emptively" attacked its military research facilities? It would be the only thing on the news, and the only thing people would want would be revenge.
    - GlacierFox 1y ago
      Yeah but the difference is that America isn't a fundamentalist theocratic death cult hell bent on eradicating an entire religion and anyone associated with it. There's a stark difference there isn't there? Or are you trying to put Iran and America on the same plane?
      - karmakurtisaani 1y ago
        > Yeah but the difference is that America isn't a fundamentalist theocratic death cult hell bent on eradicating an entire religion and anyone associated with it. Are you sure about that now? Did you miss the part where your president was openly discussing plans on annexing territories from it's allies? Ah, the American exceptionalism..
      - gverrilla 1y ago
        > death cult USA is the most murderous country in the world, by far
        GlacierFox 1y ago
        Of course, but it's not a death cult though is it? There's a difference between a calculated killer and an utterly mindless collective build upon the idea that everyone else should literally be dead. Do you see my position? Should we just give these maniacs some nuclear bombs and hope for the best?
yibg 1y ago
Being attacked boosts domestic support for leadership, even unpopular ones. If Iran actually attacked the US some how, you can bet Trump's approval rating goes up.

Iranian people hate the Ayatollahs. They execute any opposition. The populace is literally dying for change.

swat535 1y ago

Yes, they do but they love IRAN even more. Defending the country against hostile forces is going to be their priority.

GlacierFox 1y ago
Which hostile forces? The US has attacked nuclear sites which they're using to build Nuclear bombs, not sent a warhead into Tehran. I think you're underestimating the dissatisfaction of the Iranian people people with the death cult in charge.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  How about you Google SAVAK and then get back to me on how receptive you think Iranian citizens are of American "guidance" under "democratic leadership" and all that jazz. I think you're underestimating how many Iranians the CIA allowed to be tortured and raped in the Shahist regime. Agree to disagree?
  - spwa4 1y ago
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    - bigyabai 1y ago
      Yes. America's "liberator complex" is pretty much the #1 reason we got dicked down in Vietnam despite expecting a decisive victory.
      - spwa4 1y ago
        [flagged]
        bigyabai 1y ago
        I am so sorry that you insist on being humiliated like this: https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e
        spwa4 1y ago
        Can I ask you an honest question? Why would this be humiliating? I get that the whole world likes to blame the CIA for Iran ... despite of course socialists (by which I mean the socialist international, as well as socialists in the sense of worldwide protests) of course having much more to do with the rise of the Iranian regime, and indeed supporting the Iranian regime even after it became clear that they like to attack, even kill, their own people just for propaganda. That does not make the Sha's actions ok ... I get that, but the point was that they do not compare. But more: even if I'm wrong, why would that be humiliating? Also: I'm a geek. Perhaps a bit older but not (much) different. I do not really feel much if everyone disagrees with me. That happens regularly, and whilst I'm definitely wrong on occasion, I've done very well disagreeing with everyone too.
  - GlacierFox 1y ago
    So they're more concerned about something that was dissolved in 1979 more than the backward theocratic death cult in charge today? aGrEe tO dIsAgReE?
    - bigyabai 1y ago
      Yes. Iran did have a democratically-elected Prime Minister before they were removed in a joint US-Israeli coup d'état. Iranians are perfectly justified in viewing America as the enemy of democratic reform. They are also justified in their worry over Israel installing a worse theocratic death cult, as I argued above.
      - GlacierFox 1y ago
        Ah well, let's just leave them be then. The people are upset. You're right. We should just let them enrich a little more uranium and hope for the best.
- karmakurtisaani 1y ago
  What would happen to American patriotism if China "pre-emptively" attacked its military research facilities? It would be the only thing on the news, and the only thing people would want would be revenge.
  - GlacierFox 1y ago
    Yeah but the difference is that America isn't a fundamentalist theocratic death cult hell bent on eradicating an entire religion and anyone associated with it. There's a stark difference there isn't there? Or are you trying to put Iran and America on the same plane?
    - karmakurtisaani 1y ago
      > Yeah but the difference is that America isn't a fundamentalist theocratic death cult hell bent on eradicating an entire religion and anyone associated with it. Are you sure about that now? Did you miss the part where your president was openly discussing plans on annexing territories from it's allies? Ah, the American exceptionalism..
    - gverrilla 1y ago
      > death cult USA is the most murderous country in the world, by far
      - GlacierFox 1y ago
        Of course, but it's not a death cult though is it? There's a difference between a calculated killer and an utterly mindless collective build upon the idea that everyone else should literally be dead. Do you see my position? Should we just give these maniacs some nuclear bombs and hope for the best?

yibg 1y ago

Being attacked boosts domestic support for leadership, even unpopular ones. If Iran actually attacked the US some how, you can bet Trump's approval rating goes up.