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Given that the US forced Microsoft to stop providing email services to the International Criminal Court in the Netherlands via sanctions, I expect moves like th
by ifthenelseor 1y ago
Given that the US forced Microsoft to stop providing email services to the International Criminal Court in the Netherlands via sanctions, I expect moves like this to become more common across Europe. Bert Hubert is a Euro blogger who writes more about this.
- cyberpunk 1y agowtf, that happened? :/
- ifthenelseor 1y agoCitation: https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-court-a4b4c02751ab84c09718b1b95cbd5db3 https://apnews.com/article/icc-trump-sanctions-karim-khan-co...
- mijoharas 1y agoWorth noting, there is this follow-up statement from Microsoft, which is frankly as clear as mud. (Essentially Microsoft saying they didn't cut off services, with no explanation of what did happen) https://www.politico.eu/article/microsoft-did-not-cut-services-international-criminal-court-president-american-sanctions-trump-tech-icc-amazon-google/ https://www.politico.eu/article/microsoft-did-not-cut-servic...
- ifthenelseor 1y agoThank you for the additional context. > A Microsoft spokesperson said that it had been in contact with the court since February “throughout the process that resulted in the disconnection of its sanctioned official from Microsoft services.” The spokesperson added that “at no point did Microsoft cease or suspend its services to the ICC.” > Microsoft declined to comment further in response to questions regarding the exact process that led to Khan's email disconnection, and exactly what it meant by “disconnection.” I think you have described it well. Clear as mud. I think the political impact on Open Source going forward may be very interesting.
- perihelions 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44336915 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44336915 ("Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague (nytimes.com)" (387 comments)) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44032717 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44032717 ("Microsoft's ICC blockade: digital dependence comes at a cost (techzine.eu)" (205 comments))
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoI hate it that most people are missing the forest form the trees in this case, and see the Microsoft cutting email access as being the main newsworthy issue here, while form my PoV, the gigantic issue of planetary scale is that the US government (not just the Orange one) sees itself and acts above the international law, dismissing the ICC rulings whenever it feels like it, making the ICC a pointless "rules for thee but not for me" type of org at the end of the day. I feel like the infamous "League of nations" keeps repeating itself since nations only act in self interest, and all these intergovernmental organizations, are just temporary gentlemens' agreements, not worth the paper they're written on, and at the end of the day the rules are still decided and enforced by who has the biggest military like in the past infinity years of human history. So the current Microsoft issue is just the effect, but not the root cause of this. The root cause is US government becoming more and more of an unaccountable bully, and we need to address that instead of Microsoft since if it's not Microsoft who does something, it will be Google, Apple, AWS, Qualcomm, etc. they all do the bidding of the US administration.
- mslansn 1y agoWhat do you mean "above the law"? Why should whatever the ICC says be above what the US citizens choose for themselves?
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoSo if US chooses to "holocaust" a minority or ethnic group, or to invade and bomb innocent countries into oblivion, the rest of the world should just be OK with it because it's what the US citizens chose? The ICC has its roots from the trials of Nazi criminals. The US government and its military has often performed similar unspeakable and inhumane acts abroad (see the war on terror leaks and scandals) without any repercussions due to legislature form George Bush saying the US will invade the Hague if its military personnel are ever trialed for war crimes. So if one country sees itself above the law, what do you think that does to the other countries?
- carlosjobim 1y ago
- aDyslecticCrow 1y agoThat certainly sets a precedent... if the us can cut off email as a leverage, i wouldn't trust US baking, communication services or cloud providers either if i was a foreign nation. (Ally or not)
- a_dabbler 1y agoprecedent*
- akho 1y agonobody in Europe trusts US baking
- aDyslecticCrow 1y agoI present to you; visa, mastercard, and paypal.
- gloxkiqcza 1y agoWe talking about apple pies here /s
- aDyslecticCrow 1y ago... read my username
- gloxkiqcza 1y agoSorry, it was meant to be a lighthearted joke, the spelling mistake was made twice and I found the premise of baking being discussed funny. I didn’t mean to mock you.
- aDyslecticCrow 1y agoAll good. Just didn't catch on until you wrote baking and pie. The word is too similar for me to see the difference.
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- crossroadsguy 1y agoWhat about email services based in Europe but the domain is, well, a very American thing and eventually completely controlled by it, isn’t it?
- notpushkin 1y agoccTLDs are pretty independent in that regard I think. The ICC uses a .int, though, which is managed by IANA (which is in the U.S.).
- crossroadsguy 1y agoI see. I thought between ICANN ans IANA everything is US controlled eventually. I was wrong it seems.