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Sounds like the German film Das Boot is a winner (the German version of All Quiet on the Western Front is also amazing. Looks like the German film industry is d

Sounds like the German film Das Boot is a winner (the German version of All Quiet on the Western Front is also amazing. Looks like the German film industry is doing well). My fave was the burb by Lieutenant Commander Jeff Vandenengel (U.S. Navy).

shiroiuma 1y ago
>Sounds like the German film Das Boot is a winner (the German version of All Quiet on the Western Front is also amazing. Looks like the German film industry is doing well). It is? By what metric? Yes, Das Boot is a fantastic movie, but it came out around 1980; that's about 45 years ago now! The new AQotWF movie has great reviews too. It just came out within the last year I think. That's two great movies in a 50-year period. This is not what I would call "doing well". There might be a few more examples of good German movies, but overall I would not call the German film industry world-leading by any means.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  Fair enough, but I have watched quite a bit of German stuff, lately, thanks to Netflix and Amazon. I’m sure that the driver is lower cost, but the shows have still been excellent. There’s also the rather interesting English-language Spanish stuff that Netflix has been broadcasting, and some great Scandinavian stuff (I preferred In Order of Disappearance to Cold Pursuit, even though the American version was quite faithful to the original). I know that Hollywood has been doing a lot of of offshore development (just like Silicon Valley—for the same reason), which has likely been training non-US artists in American production techniques and sensibilities (just like Silicon Valley).
  - pjc50 1y ago
    I have a slightly more negative take on the same (positive!) phenomenon of non-English origin content becoming more popular with English audiences: the ability of Hollywood to actually complete and deliver projects is deteriorating, especially among mid-size productions and TV series that don't cost millions of dollars per episode. (also K-drama and telenovella plotting just absolutely trashes focus-grouped US streamer TV insipidness)
    - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
      The Korean stuff has excellent production value, but, for some reason, I haven't really been able to get engaged with it.
    - shiroiuma 1y ago
      >the ability of Hollywood to actually complete and deliver projects is deteriorating It's the same with everything in America these days.
pjc50 1y ago
I think that's more a question of Germans being better able to adapt source material that's written by Germans in German and set (partly) in Germany featuring German speakers.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  True, but locally-relevant entertainment often doesn’t export well, even if it is extremely well-done. That seems to be changing. Maybe the wider distribution is “commoditizing” personal tastes. I should note that Germans weren’t the only ones operating subs in WWII (but they were definitely operating the majority of them), so the submarine experience wasn’t unique to Germany. I also really enjoyed the new Shogun limited series. It deserved every award it got. I heard that the Japanese they spoke was period-accurate, so it was maybe the equivalent of an English-language Shakesperian movie.
  - pjc50 1y ago
    Shogun is absolutely fantastic. But it's not quite the same as a for-export production; it was an American-led production team adapting an American novel trying to be as authentically Japanese as possible. With great success. You're absolutely correct about the period language. It seems to have been a hit in Japan, indicating they got it right: https://www.tokyoweekender.com/entertainment/movies-tv/shogun-2024-series-review/ https://www.tokyoweekender.com/entertainment/movies-tv/shogu... >> The new Shogun has been well received by Western audiences, but it’s been a monster hit among Japanese viewers — possibly because they know the story. They know who Tokugawa Ieyasu is, they know about his rival Ishida Mitsunari and the Battle of Sekigahara the show is building up to. It doesn’t matter that these characters and events have different names in Shogun. It’s not exactly clear why the author did that, but in James Clavell’s novel, Adams is named John Blackthorne and Ieyasu is Yoshii Toranaga. Various people have pointed out that Japan makes a ton of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jidaigeki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jidaigeki shows in a similar style (and with a similar vocabulary, making Shogun comprehensible to JP viewers), but for domestic consumption, and they don't really get exported. I guess having the character of Blackthorne as an anchor is critical for Western viewers. While we're on the subject, this audience might like https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/ , which was a true Japanese-American co-production war movie. Bit of a specialist watch as it's nearly two and a half hours long. Some uncredited assistant direction was done by Kurosawa.
HK-NC 1y ago
I have onoy seen Das Boot once, it was the full version at midnight in a quiet neighbourhood, all lights off in the house, surround sound setup in the room (never met anyone with this since) it was terrifying and the hours somehow flew by despite being on the edge of my seat and alert for much of it. Definitely recommend seeing the movie in this context if anyone is lucky enough to get the chance.
ahazred8ta 1y ago
All Quiet had a sequel: The Road Back https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Back_(film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Back_(film)
ahazred8ta 1y ago
The submarine duel in The Enemy Below was good. (It was rehashed as the Romulan episode in Star Trek) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Below https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Below WikiPedia's list of submarine films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_films

shiroiuma 1y ago

>Sounds like the German film Das Boot is a winner (the German version of All Quiet on the Western Front is also amazing. Looks like the German film industry is doing well). It is? By what metric? Yes, Das Boot is a fantastic movie, but it came out around 1980; that's about 45 years ago now! The new AQotWF movie has great reviews too. It just came out within the last year I think. That's two great movies in a 50-year period. This is not what I would call "doing well". There might be a few more examples of good German movies, but overall I would not call the German film industry world-leading by any means.

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
Fair enough, but I have watched quite a bit of German stuff, lately, thanks to Netflix and Amazon. I’m sure that the driver is lower cost, but the shows have still been excellent. There’s also the rather interesting English-language Spanish stuff that Netflix has been broadcasting, and some great Scandinavian stuff (I preferred In Order of Disappearance to Cold Pursuit, even though the American version was quite faithful to the original). I know that Hollywood has been doing a lot of of offshore development (just like Silicon Valley—for the same reason), which has likely been training non-US artists in American production techniques and sensibilities (just like Silicon Valley).
- pjc50 1y ago
  I have a slightly more negative take on the same (positive!) phenomenon of non-English origin content becoming more popular with English audiences: the ability of Hollywood to actually complete and deliver projects is deteriorating, especially among mid-size productions and TV series that don't cost millions of dollars per episode. (also K-drama and telenovella plotting just absolutely trashes focus-grouped US streamer TV insipidness)
  - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
    The Korean stuff has excellent production value, but, for some reason, I haven't really been able to get engaged with it.
  - shiroiuma 1y ago
    >the ability of Hollywood to actually complete and deliver projects is deteriorating It's the same with everything in America these days.

pjc50 1y ago

I think that's more a question of Germans being better able to adapt source material that's written by Germans in German and set (partly) in Germany featuring German speakers.

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
True, but locally-relevant entertainment often doesn’t export well, even if it is extremely well-done. That seems to be changing. Maybe the wider distribution is “commoditizing” personal tastes. I should note that Germans weren’t the only ones operating subs in WWII (but they were definitely operating the majority of them), so the submarine experience wasn’t unique to Germany. I also really enjoyed the new Shogun limited series. It deserved every award it got. I heard that the Japanese they spoke was period-accurate, so it was maybe the equivalent of an English-language Shakesperian movie.
- pjc50 1y ago
  Shogun is absolutely fantastic. But it's not quite the same as a for-export production; it was an American-led production team adapting an American novel trying to be as authentically Japanese as possible. With great success. You're absolutely correct about the period language. It seems to have been a hit in Japan, indicating they got it right: https://www.tokyoweekender.com/entertainment/movies-tv/shogun-2024-series-review/ https://www.tokyoweekender.com/entertainment/movies-tv/shogu... >> The new Shogun has been well received by Western audiences, but it’s been a monster hit among Japanese viewers — possibly because they know the story. They know who Tokugawa Ieyasu is, they know about his rival Ishida Mitsunari and the Battle of Sekigahara the show is building up to. It doesn’t matter that these characters and events have different names in Shogun. It’s not exactly clear why the author did that, but in James Clavell’s novel, Adams is named John Blackthorne and Ieyasu is Yoshii Toranaga. Various people have pointed out that Japan makes a ton of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jidaigeki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jidaigeki shows in a similar style (and with a similar vocabulary, making Shogun comprehensible to JP viewers), but for domestic consumption, and they don't really get exported. I guess having the character of Blackthorne as an anchor is critical for Western viewers. While we're on the subject, this audience might like https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/ , which was a true Japanese-American co-production war movie. Bit of a specialist watch as it's nearly two and a half hours long. Some uncredited assistant direction was done by Kurosawa.

HK-NC 1y ago

I have onoy seen Das Boot once, it was the full version at midnight in a quiet neighbourhood, all lights off in the house, surround sound setup in the room (never met anyone with this since) it was terrifying and the hours somehow flew by despite being on the edge of my seat and alert for much of it. Definitely recommend seeing the movie in this context if anyone is lucky enough to get the chance.

ahazred8ta 1y ago

All Quiet had a sequel: The Road Back https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Back_(film) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_Back_(film)

ahazred8ta 1y ago

The submarine duel in The Enemy Below was good. (It was rehashed as the Romulan episode in Star Trek) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Below https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Enemy_Below WikiPedia's list of submarine films: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_films https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_films