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This only happens if Iran sits there and takes it. What if they close the strait? Or shoot missiles to US bases?

infecto 1y ago
I have mixed feelings about the current state but is that a legitimate question. I imagine Iran would fire once on the US and then all heck would reign down on them from the skies. I don’t see a situation where Iran can hold on. Most of the people do not support the government.
- gcanyon 1y ago
  > Most of the people do not support the government. You're implying that a foreign power bombing Iran would make the people less likely to support their government. Do you have justification for that?
  - GlacierFox 1y ago
    Iranian people hate the Ayatollahs. They execute any opposition. The populace is literally dying for change.
    - swat535 1y ago
      Yes, they do but they love IRAN even more. Defending the country against hostile forces is going to be their priority.
      - GlacierFox 1y ago
        Which hostile forces? The US has attacked nuclear sites which they're using to build Nuclear bombs, not sent a warhead into Tehran. I think you're underestimating the dissatisfaction of the Iranian people people with the death cult in charge.
        bigyabai 1y ago
        How about you Google SAVAK and then get back to me on how receptive you think Iranian citizens are of American "guidance" under "democratic leadership" and all that jazz. I think you're underestimating how many Iranians the CIA allowed to be tortured and raped in the Shahist regime. Agree to disagree?
        spwa4 1y ago
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        bigyabai 1y ago
        Yes. America's "liberator complex" is pretty much the #1 reason we got dicked down in Vietnam despite expecting a decisive victory.
        spwa4 1y ago
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        bigyabai 1y ago
        I am so sorry that you insist on being humiliated like this: https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e
        spwa4 1y ago
        Can I ask you an honest question? Why would this be humiliating? I get that the whole world likes to blame the CIA for Iran ... despite of course socialists (by which I mean the socialist international, as well as socialists in the sense of worldwide protests) of course having much more to do with the rise of the Iranian regime, and indeed supporting the Iranian regime even after it became clear that they like to attack, even kill, their own people just for propaganda. That does not make the Sha's actions ok ... I get that, but the point was that they do not compare. But more: even if I'm wrong, why would that be humiliating? Also: I'm a geek. Perhaps a bit older but not (much) different. I do not really feel much if everyone disagrees with me. That happens regularly, and whilst I'm definitely wrong on occasion, I've done very well disagreeing with everyone too.
    - yibg 1y ago
      Being attacked boosts domestic support for leadership, even unpopular ones. If Iran actually attacked the US some how, you can bet Trump's approval rating goes up.
  - infecto 1y ago
    Definitely increases the fervor of the hardliners. Do I have a current pole for a good sample of folks in the country l? No. But have a pretty large number of friends who Iranian and also have been there a couple times. Most of the population do not like the government.
- bitmasher9 1y ago
  The power delta between The United Stated and Iran is lower than any of our other engagements since WW2, and look at how many resources were spent for questionable outcomes.
  - infecto 1y ago
    I can see this being true but I would be surprised this would ever be a boots on the ground situation for America. Don’t get me wrong, I have mixed feelings of the current state but I also don’t see how Iran would be able to hold any kind of air superiority. They are already being down by the tiny country of Israel.
- dreghgh 1y ago
  What if they hit US bases using 'plausibly deniable' cutouts? The Glorious Revolutionary Militia of country X, using Iranian built and supplied drones or missiles, blows up young American soldiers in a country half the electorate didn't even know there was a presence in. Iran disclaims all involvement, but says they sympathise with the legitimate frustration of the locals. Do you think the United States gets involved in a hot war against Iran based on that? Remember the Beirut truck bombings. The biggest single day US Marine loss of life since Iwo Jima. Reagan (and Mitterand) immediately says there will be no withdrawal. They shoot a lot of artillery in the general direction of Hezbollah from a boat, then immediately withdraw all troops.

I have mixed feelings about the current state but is that a legitimate question. I imagine Iran would fire once on the US and then all heck would reign down on them from the skies. I don’t see a situation where Iran can hold on. Most of the people do not support the government.

gcanyon 1y ago
> Most of the people do not support the government. You're implying that a foreign power bombing Iran would make the people less likely to support their government. Do you have justification for that?
- GlacierFox 1y ago
  Iranian people hate the Ayatollahs. They execute any opposition. The populace is literally dying for change.
  - swat535 1y ago
    Yes, they do but they love IRAN even more. Defending the country against hostile forces is going to be their priority.
    - GlacierFox 1y ago
      Which hostile forces? The US has attacked nuclear sites which they're using to build Nuclear bombs, not sent a warhead into Tehran. I think you're underestimating the dissatisfaction of the Iranian people people with the death cult in charge.
      - bigyabai 1y ago
        How about you Google SAVAK and then get back to me on how receptive you think Iranian citizens are of American "guidance" under "democratic leadership" and all that jazz. I think you're underestimating how many Iranians the CIA allowed to be tortured and raped in the Shahist regime. Agree to disagree?
        spwa4 1y ago
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        bigyabai 1y ago
        Yes. America's "liberator complex" is pretty much the #1 reason we got dicked down in Vietnam despite expecting a decisive victory.
        spwa4 1y ago
        [flagged]
        bigyabai 1y ago
        I am so sorry that you insist on being humiliated like this: https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e https://apnews.com/article/072580b5f24b4f8ea2402221d530257e
        spwa4 1y ago
        Can I ask you an honest question? Why would this be humiliating? I get that the whole world likes to blame the CIA for Iran ... despite of course socialists (by which I mean the socialist international, as well as socialists in the sense of worldwide protests) of course having much more to do with the rise of the Iranian regime, and indeed supporting the Iranian regime even after it became clear that they like to attack, even kill, their own people just for propaganda. That does not make the Sha's actions ok ... I get that, but the point was that they do not compare. But more: even if I'm wrong, why would that be humiliating? Also: I'm a geek. Perhaps a bit older but not (much) different. I do not really feel much if everyone disagrees with me. That happens regularly, and whilst I'm definitely wrong on occasion, I've done very well disagreeing with everyone too.
  - yibg 1y ago
    Being attacked boosts domestic support for leadership, even unpopular ones. If Iran actually attacked the US some how, you can bet Trump's approval rating goes up.
- infecto 1y ago
  Definitely increases the fervor of the hardliners. Do I have a current pole for a good sample of folks in the country l? No. But have a pretty large number of friends who Iranian and also have been there a couple times. Most of the population do not like the government.
bitmasher9 1y ago
The power delta between The United Stated and Iran is lower than any of our other engagements since WW2, and look at how many resources were spent for questionable outcomes.
- infecto 1y ago
  I can see this being true but I would be surprised this would ever be a boots on the ground situation for America. Don’t get me wrong, I have mixed feelings of the current state but I also don’t see how Iran would be able to hold any kind of air superiority. They are already being down by the tiny country of Israel.
dreghgh 1y ago
What if they hit US bases using 'plausibly deniable' cutouts? The Glorious Revolutionary Militia of country X, using Iranian built and supplied drones or missiles, blows up young American soldiers in a country half the electorate didn't even know there was a presence in. Iran disclaims all involvement, but says they sympathise with the legitimate frustration of the locals. Do you think the United States gets involved in a hot war against Iran based on that? Remember the Beirut truck bombings. The biggest single day US Marine loss of life since Iwo Jima. Reagan (and Mitterand) immediately says there will be no withdrawal. They shoot a lot of artillery in the general direction of Hezbollah from a boat, then immediately withdraw all troops.