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> end up like Libya, Syria or any other country Israel considers a threat. You imply here that those countries woes are primarily due to Israel. They are not.

> end up like Libya, Syria or any other country Israel considers a threat. You imply here that those countries woes are primarily due to Israel. They are not. Syria was embroiled and toppled by Islamic Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham backed by Turkey. Libya was due to civil war. Several of these conflicts were funded by Iran as well. You can go down the list. Please study at least some basics on the region. > So thinking Iran will simply nuke Israel because it has that capability is silly - it would mean mutual destruction. One would hope, but if Allah is protecting them why would they need to fear retaliation? Theocracies can be unpredictable. Also they could provide dirty bombs to their proxies in the region.

roenxi 1y ago
> You imply here that those countries woes are primarily due to Israel. They are not. The comment didn't suggest that exactly. > One would hope, but if Allah is protecting them why would they need to fear retaliation? Israel just launched a perfidious pre-emptive defence by assassinating a lot of their top military leadership. They've probably figured out retaliation is a possibility here - if this is Israel's defence when they aren't even being threatened, imagine what they will do in their defence when the Iranians actually do something directly! Even if the Iranians are legitimately stupid at some level the campaign of missile strikes must have registered that they are vulnerable to missiles.
- spwa4 1y ago
  "they [Israel] aren't even being threatened" Are you even arguing in good faith? Over the years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9EFTPQhw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9EFTPQhw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulXulltxXZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulXulltxXZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V21yoWN_U3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V21yoWN_U3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q
  - roenxi 1y ago
    One of those videos is literally titled "Iran's Ahmadinejad Keeps Up Bluster Against Israel" and another is about treaty negotiations. If countries are going to launch a military response every time a leadership figure starts blustering or negotiations don't go well we're going to be in a lot of wars. Bluster isn't a threat that the military are going to respond to. Imagine I used the word "credible" above if you want.
    - sfn42 1y ago
      Iran and Israel were allies before Iran was taken over by religious leaders. Even after that, Israel tried to keep the peace hoping that reasonable people would take over again but they never did. Iran has been supplying and funding Hamas and other enemies of Israel for decades. In my mind there is no doubt who the good guys are in that particular conflict. Iran started it decades ago for no reason other than religious hate, has kept it up until now and Iran is the one escalating.
      - mafuy 1y ago
        Maybe most of this is true, I don't know. I got the impression that both their governments are total shit. But you'll certainly have to agree that most of the escalation is due to Israel's action (not words) in attacking first and at a large scale.
        breppp 1y ago
        not really, the escalation started on October 7th 2023, which was financed and orchestrated by Iran.[1] An ongoing war that includes all of Iran proxies. [1] https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/activities-of-saeed-izadi-head-of-the-qods-forces-palestine-branch-reflected-in-captured-document/ https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/activities-of-saeed-iza...
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  - roenxi 1y ago
    Is that Israel's justification for the strikes? My understanding [0] is that the rhetoric is pre-emptive defence. [0] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-13/israel-strikes-on-iran-nuclear-targets-what-do-we-know/105413916 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-13/israel-strikes-on-ira... - "Why is this happening?"
- elcritch 1y ago
  That’s the point of my comment. Israel and several other nations like Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, etc have all been undergoing attacks by Iranian funded proxies for decades.
  - ivape 1y ago
    Why do you think that’s true? You can take an average person globally and more or less realize it takes very little to make someone anti-Israeli foreign policy. It doesn’t take some large brainwashing operation. In fact, one could argue the propaganda is coming from a side that wants to paint a narrative that there is this huge operation against Israel when in reality an average 16 year old in America can spot the bad actor in a situation rather quickly (yes, that’s genz , the supposedly “brainwashed” dumbasses). Jews are a traumatized people. They can never truly shed the insecurity that entire continents and countries can be hostile toward them (the entirety of Europe during ww2). They are making trauma informed decisions, and can never be trusted to do so alone because it’s actual trauma. The biggest myth is that Israel is a first world country but there’s no evidence of it. Buildings and infrastructure do not make you a first world country (behold China). Any country that is that brutal will never meet the criteria, it’s a third world country that is new and learning just like every other third world country. Blood-thirst (blood-rage? They see red.) is an understatement when it comes to this country as of 2025. We need things to change over the next 20 years. They do not know how to manage life due to just how intense their historical trauma was. There’s no one over there with a cool head and clinically there wouldn’t be (how do you just act normal after the holocaust? You can’t.) The failure of the Trump admin is unique and unlike any other administration. It is was once accepted that Israel is not level headed (again, not an insult, one cannot be balanced if one emerges through hellfire) and cannot dictate foreign policy. Trump just said “fuck it, go ahead traumatized child, do as you please” - this was pure insanity. Love is protecting your brothers and sisters from themselves (my brothers keeper). The world did not get safer, where are the cooler heads in the room?
    - Ntrails 1y ago
      > Trump just said “do as you please” - this was pure insanity. I'm all for attacking Trump when justified, but given how Biden managed Gaza it is spectacularly unclear that we would expect a different outcome from Dems.
- scotty79 1y ago
  > Israel just launched a perfidious pre-emptive defence by assassinating a lot of their top military leadership. And Iran retaliated and actually some of it's missiles inflicted damage. We can only imagine what the damage would be if Isreal patiently waited for the Iran to feel read to attack Israel which it's always advertised as its goal. Also it already happened once. Nations of the region decided they are strong enough to attack Isreal and they did. It was bound to happen again and as the death toll in Isreal in the current conflict shows, despite pre-emptive strike damaging Iran's missile potential significantly, there's only so much you can do with defensive weapons. In this specific context pre-emptive strike on leaders and long range attack capabilities is not perfidious, it's just about the only thing you can do that's not stupid.
krzyk 1y ago
> One would hope, but if Allah is protecting them why would they need to fear retaliation? Allah or Jahwe, what's the difference. Both countries are some kind of theocracies, that see infidels as inferior. If Israel has nukes, so should Iran. At least Iran is Shia, so different from the most Muslims, which are Sunni.
- handfuloflight 1y ago
  > Allah or Jahwe, what's the difference. ...there is no difference. Islam and Judaism trace to Abrahamic monotheism. One through the son Isaac, the other through Ishmael.
ExoticPearTree 1y ago
Just to set the story straight: - Libya was bombed primarily by France and then other NATO countries for no good reason. And from a functioning dictatorship it is a failed state. - Syria was invaded by Turkey/US right after the civil war started. In the world we all live in you need to have powerful deterrents so that the US/France/UK/NATO will not dare to bomb you for whatever reason they feel "justified" to do. In an extreme, I think every country should have a lot of nukes so other countries can mind their own business.
- looofooo0 1y ago
  Forget Ryssian involvment in Syria and Libiya!
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    I did not forget that. But the Russians banked on the opportunity after the fact. They did not bombed them because they did not like their leaders just because.
- scotty79 1y ago
  > other countries can mind their own business Right. Because nothing says "I can mind my own business." like nuclear weapons being at most one coup from being launched at someone, possibly you. People thought nuclear weapons are a defensive deterrent but what war in Ukraine showed us they are actually offensive weapons that deter anyone from defending to strongly when you attack them with your conventional forces. Both russia and USA used their nuclear weapons in that manner for the last few decades. It's time to call the thing that quacks what it is, a duck.
  - ExoticPearTree 1y ago
    > Right. Because nothing says "I can mind my own business." like nuclear weapons being at most one coup from being launched at someone, possibly you. You're saying not all countries should be able to have powerful weapons just because there might be a coup. Who decides that? You? Me? A random guy on the street? A random bureaucrat from a random country? There are very few people who think they can win a nuclear exchange. And somehow I don't think a random guy in Africa or the Middle East is so sure about it that it risks launching nukes at its neighbor(s).
fortran77 1y ago
You’re not going to win an argument with someone who will always blame the Jews for all the world’s (and his personal) woes.

roenxi 1y ago

> You imply here that those countries woes are primarily due to Israel. They are not. The comment didn't suggest that exactly. > One would hope, but if Allah is protecting them why would they need to fear retaliation? Israel just launched a perfidious pre-emptive defence by assassinating a lot of their top military leadership. They've probably figured out retaliation is a possibility here - if this is Israel's defence when they aren't even being threatened, imagine what they will do in their defence when the Iranians actually do something directly! Even if the Iranians are legitimately stupid at some level the campaign of missile strikes must have registered that they are vulnerable to missiles.

spwa4 1y ago
"they [Israel] aren't even being threatened" Are you even arguing in good faith? Over the years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9EFTPQhw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op9EFTPQhw8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulXulltxXZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulXulltxXZg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V21yoWN_U3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V21yoWN_U3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q
- roenxi 1y ago
  One of those videos is literally titled "Iran's Ahmadinejad Keeps Up Bluster Against Israel" and another is about treaty negotiations. If countries are going to launch a military response every time a leadership figure starts blustering or negotiations don't go well we're going to be in a lot of wars. Bluster isn't a threat that the military are going to respond to. Imagine I used the word "credible" above if you want.
  - sfn42 1y ago
    Iran and Israel were allies before Iran was taken over by religious leaders. Even after that, Israel tried to keep the peace hoping that reasonable people would take over again but they never did. Iran has been supplying and funding Hamas and other enemies of Israel for decades. In my mind there is no doubt who the good guys are in that particular conflict. Iran started it decades ago for no reason other than religious hate, has kept it up until now and Iran is the one escalating.
    - mafuy 1y ago
      Maybe most of this is true, I don't know. I got the impression that both their governments are total shit. But you'll certainly have to agree that most of the escalation is due to Israel's action (not words) in attacking first and at a large scale.
      - breppp 1y ago
        not really, the escalation started on October 7th 2023, which was financed and orchestrated by Iran.[1] An ongoing war that includes all of Iran proxies. [1] https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/activities-of-saeed-izadi-head-of-the-qods-forces-palestine-branch-reflected-in-captured-document/ https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/activities-of-saeed-iza...
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- roenxi 1y ago
  Is that Israel's justification for the strikes? My understanding [0] is that the rhetoric is pre-emptive defence. [0] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-13/israel-strikes-on-iran-nuclear-targets-what-do-we-know/105413916 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-06-13/israel-strikes-on-ira... - "Why is this happening?"
elcritch 1y ago
That’s the point of my comment. Israel and several other nations like Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, etc have all been undergoing attacks by Iranian funded proxies for decades.
- ivape 1y ago
  Why do you think that’s true? You can take an average person globally and more or less realize it takes very little to make someone anti-Israeli foreign policy. It doesn’t take some large brainwashing operation. In fact, one could argue the propaganda is coming from a side that wants to paint a narrative that there is this huge operation against Israel when in reality an average 16 year old in America can spot the bad actor in a situation rather quickly (yes, that’s genz , the supposedly “brainwashed” dumbasses). Jews are a traumatized people. They can never truly shed the insecurity that entire continents and countries can be hostile toward them (the entirety of Europe during ww2). They are making trauma informed decisions, and can never be trusted to do so alone because it’s actual trauma. The biggest myth is that Israel is a first world country but there’s no evidence of it. Buildings and infrastructure do not make you a first world country (behold China). Any country that is that brutal will never meet the criteria, it’s a third world country that is new and learning just like every other third world country. Blood-thirst (blood-rage? They see red.) is an understatement when it comes to this country as of 2025. We need things to change over the next 20 years. They do not know how to manage life due to just how intense their historical trauma was. There’s no one over there with a cool head and clinically there wouldn’t be (how do you just act normal after the holocaust? You can’t.) The failure of the Trump admin is unique and unlike any other administration. It is was once accepted that Israel is not level headed (again, not an insult, one cannot be balanced if one emerges through hellfire) and cannot dictate foreign policy. Trump just said “fuck it, go ahead traumatized child, do as you please” - this was pure insanity. Love is protecting your brothers and sisters from themselves (my brothers keeper). The world did not get safer, where are the cooler heads in the room?
  - Ntrails 1y ago
    > Trump just said “do as you please” - this was pure insanity. I'm all for attacking Trump when justified, but given how Biden managed Gaza it is spectacularly unclear that we would expect a different outcome from Dems.
scotty79 1y ago
> Israel just launched a perfidious pre-emptive defence by assassinating a lot of their top military leadership. And Iran retaliated and actually some of it's missiles inflicted damage. We can only imagine what the damage would be if Isreal patiently waited for the Iran to feel read to attack Israel which it's always advertised as its goal. Also it already happened once. Nations of the region decided they are strong enough to attack Isreal and they did. It was bound to happen again and as the death toll in Isreal in the current conflict shows, despite pre-emptive strike damaging Iran's missile potential significantly, there's only so much you can do with defensive weapons. In this specific context pre-emptive strike on leaders and long range attack capabilities is not perfidious, it's just about the only thing you can do that's not stupid.

krzyk 1y ago

> One would hope, but if Allah is protecting them why would they need to fear retaliation? Allah or Jahwe, what's the difference. Both countries are some kind of theocracies, that see infidels as inferior. If Israel has nukes, so should Iran. At least Iran is Shia, so different from the most Muslims, which are Sunni.

handfuloflight 1y ago
> Allah or Jahwe, what's the difference. ...there is no difference. Islam and Judaism trace to Abrahamic monotheism. One through the son Isaac, the other through Ishmael.

ExoticPearTree 1y ago

Just to set the story straight: - Libya was bombed primarily by France and then other NATO countries for no good reason. And from a functioning dictatorship it is a failed state. - Syria was invaded by Turkey/US right after the civil war started. In the world we all live in you need to have powerful deterrents so that the US/France/UK/NATO will not dare to bomb you for whatever reason they feel "justified" to do. In an extreme, I think every country should have a lot of nukes so other countries can mind their own business.

looofooo0 1y ago
Forget Ryssian involvment in Syria and Libiya!
- ExoticPearTree 1y ago
  I did not forget that. But the Russians banked on the opportunity after the fact. They did not bombed them because they did not like their leaders just because.
scotty79 1y ago
> other countries can mind their own business Right. Because nothing says "I can mind my own business." like nuclear weapons being at most one coup from being launched at someone, possibly you. People thought nuclear weapons are a defensive deterrent but what war in Ukraine showed us they are actually offensive weapons that deter anyone from defending to strongly when you attack them with your conventional forces. Both russia and USA used their nuclear weapons in that manner for the last few decades. It's time to call the thing that quacks what it is, a duck.
- ExoticPearTree 1y ago
  > Right. Because nothing says "I can mind my own business." like nuclear weapons being at most one coup from being launched at someone, possibly you. You're saying not all countries should be able to have powerful weapons just because there might be a coup. Who decides that? You? Me? A random guy on the street? A random bureaucrat from a random country? There are very few people who think they can win a nuclear exchange. And somehow I don't think a random guy in Africa or the Middle East is so sure about it that it risks launching nukes at its neighbor(s).

fortran77 1y ago

You’re not going to win an argument with someone who will always blame the Jews for all the world’s (and his personal) woes.