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> It's that they believe they have a religious duty to destroy the state of Israel. And the US is full of Christo-fascists who believe they have a religious du
by McAlpine5892 1y ago
> It's that they believe they have a religious duty to destroy the state of Israel.
And the US is full of Christo-fascists who believe they have a religious duty to "defend" Israel by any means necessary.
It absolutely blows my mind that in this day and age people are taking sides on a religious war. Stay out. Stay far out. There is no winning. There is no stopping the conflict. Every side has an ordained right to blow the others off the face of the planet. The only thing to see is human atrocities as far as the eye in the name of <your god of choice>.
> There's a state ... [that has] ... the facilities necessary to enrich weapons grade Uranium
Do they? It's oft repeated. But I vaguely remember this country being sold on an Iraq invasion due to nukes. Nukes that never existed and never were close to existing. This wasn't a simple miscalculation. The nukes were entirely and knowingly fictional. And that's just one example of a bullshit made-up reason this nation has started a war to waste lives.
How do you think Palestinians sleep at night? With the threat of Israel, funded by the largest military in the world, looming over them every night?
Why should I believe my country today? Why is today the day of all days that the truth is finally being told? Why is today the day that god is real and I should jump in on the bloodshed?
Your masters are lying to you, to their benefit. They didn't wake up today and decide to be honest.
- adastra22 1y agoIsrael is the only democratic country in the Middle East. Support for Israel extends beyond religious justifications.
- fluorinerocket 1y agoI could really care less what theit form of government is
- petre 1y ago> starting a new war with Iran Hamas has started in on the 7th of october 2023, effectively rolling back years of negotiations done by Yasser Arafat. Where do you think they've got the weapons from? Netanyahu is no better, but they offered him the perfect motive for a response.
- dreghgh 1y ago> Where do you think they've got the weapons from? Ultimately, from the United States taxpayer. Who supply the Egyptian military government, who turn a small proportion over to the Islamists to keep them from too much rabble-rousing. Who smuggle them to Hamas. Both Qatar and Iran supply money and other forms of support to Hamas. But no RPG makes it into Gaza (across a shorter than 10 mile border) without the Egyptian military sort of knowing about it.
- Avshalom 1y agoAnd of course one of the reasons Qatar supplied them is because Netanyahu specifically asked them to. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
- petre 1y agoSo Hamas used the Quatari funds for kids' food and medical supplies to buy and manufacture weapons. How does that change anything? https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/19/hamas-used-iranian-produced-weapons-in-october-7-terror-attack-in-israel/ https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/10/19/hamas-used-iranian-p...
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- reillyse 1y agoA shining beacon of democracy.
- CalChris 1y agoIran was democratic … until we overthrew them.
- hopelite 1y agoWe, the British or the Americans, or those who control both?
- throwaway7839 1y agoIsrael is the only country with tiered citizenship. It is the only country that has constitutional preference for an ethnic group instead of equality of all subjects/citizens. It is also the only country with automatic citizenship based on religion. It is also the only country with nuclear weapons but not part of NPT. Even North Korea is a member of NPT. The myth of Democracy is just that, a myth. It doesn’t work anymore.
- adastra22 1y agoThe 18% of Israeli citizens that are Muslim are 100% equal to their Jewish brethren under the law. There is no tiered citizenship.
- chgs 1y agohttps://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-rejects-israeli-nationality-status/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/supreme-court-rejects-israeli-... Looks theocratic to me
- adastra22 1y agoI don’t think you understand what you linked to. That is about government census forms that track ethnicity, same as any other country. Nationality here doesn’t mean citizenship, but rather something closer to “tribe.” Some well meaning citizens said “I want to check Israeli rather than Jew, Druze, Arab, etc.” Except Israeli is not a nationality in this sense. Nor is Jewish, on this form, a religious identification. It is a way of tracking, for census reasons, something closer to ethnicity. Not for nefarious purposes, but just to track demographics.
- throwaway97894 1y agoThat is a very dishonest interpretation not only because the national registry is not a mere question of census but of identity, but because the Supreme Court clearly outlines that it in black and white that it is about the question of Jewish supremacy. from the article: > the court explained that doing so would have “weighty implications” on the State of Israel and could pose a danger to Israel’s founding principle: to be a Jewish state for the Jewish people.
- wun0ne 1y agoIsrael, the democratic country whose prime minister appears to be deliberately prolonging the current conflict in Gaza and starting a new war with Iran to avoid facing corruption charges?
- alfiedotwtf 1y agoIran used to be a democracy in the Middle East until the US got involved
- McAlpine5892 1y agoIt's not about democracy. If it were, we wouldn't have overthrown countless democratically elected leaders throughout South America during the 20th Century. Our elected leaders constantly attempt to expand their own power. To maximally punish whistleblowers. Our election system is ran by a duopoly who exerts extreme power over those voicing alternative views and opinions. About democracy, it is not. Let's say it was though. What gives us the right to blow other countries off the face of the planet? Are we somehow so much better than everyone else because we believe we're democratic? We don't even rank in the top 10 most democratic countries. We throw more people in jail than China. Per capita AND total overall. We throw more kids in jail than any other first world country [0]. Surely, democracy does not automagically lend to treating people fairly. We have enough problems in our own damn democracy to worry about. Crazy to be starting wars to "help" someone who never asked for it. Forcing violence upon those who never consented is absolutely abhorrent. [0] https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/africa-americas-asia-europe/central-asia-middle-east/north https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/afric...
- hopelite 1y agoYou seem to believe “democracy” is some kind of magic spell or something? This “democracy” just perpetrated and are continuing to perpetrate the worst kind of wanton and sadistic genocide in full view of the world and are doing it in high definition and with impunity. America is supposedly also a democracy and we just in fact bombed a place objectively without any provocation, in violation of our own supreme law, and being utterly counter to American interests, because an alien and foreign interest group has a stranglehold on America. Democracy is not some magic word that justifies things
- oliwarner 1y agoWhose fault is that? The US and Russia have propped and warred every angle to extract as much oil as possible. The instability maintains a heavy flow of refugees into Europe, destabilising the freedoms they have there and pushing the politics further right. The sudden switch yesterday from "they can't make nukes" to "they're a fortnight away from ICBMs" felt a little too reminiscent of Iraq twenty years ago. If we want a stable Middle East, we have to stop bombing the shit out of it, and invest. Negotiate fairly for resources. Offer them a future. And demand Israel stop committing war crimes.
- eptcyka 1y agoI wonder if the _negotiate fairly_ option is viable after countless generations have been bombed.
- oliwarner 1y agoWe either try, or resign to slowly killing each other until one does figure out how to wipe the other out forever. Forced separation only deepens the hatred.
- simonh 1y agoIt can be simultaneously true that Iran is sitting on a huge pike of precursor materials for nuclear weapons, and is not currently actually making bombs. Last week she was emphasising the latter, now she’s emphasising the former. Disingenuous? Sure. Trump and his people are children in the back of a car that found mummy’s gun in her purse. They have no idea what they are doing. I understand what Israel is doing but the US administration are clueless and rudderless.
- LtWorf 1y agoIsrael has elections. So does Russia. Is Russia a democracy?
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- dreghgh 1y agoThere's only 3 problems with this old claim. 1. You have to define 'Israel' quite carefully to make it work. Palestinians in East Jerusalem cannot vote in Israeli elections. Is East Jerusalem part of Israel or not? 2. There are several other democracies in the Middle East, for example Iraq and Lebanon. 3. Some of the countries which aren't democratic, would be democratic, except that representative governments were overthrown by the United States, in part to enforce cooperation with Israel, against the wishes of most of the people in the country. For example, Egypt.
- samjones33 1y agoEast Jerusalem is ... not a nut anyone here is going to crack. What do those folks want for themselves? Be part of the Palestinian Authority? (Not the ones I have been doing a remodel with.) Make them part of Jordan? Jerusalem is disputed territory. That makes it an uncomfortable mess, for more or less everyone. The region needs more efforts toward peace, and less black and white, good/bad labeling. East Jerusalemites are in limbo waiting for peace. It's Jerusalem. It's a strange place.
- compiler_queen 1y ago> Support for Israel extends beyond religious justifications Yes, it extends that support to cover apartheid colonial occupation, more-than-likely genocide by all the accepted definitions, and the usual smattering of targeting civilians, executing paramedics in marked ambulances and ethic cleansing.
- lokimedes 1y agoThose with the spirit to strike, will always dominate those with a mind to moderate.
- KnightSaysNi 1y ago> Every side has an ordained right to blow the others off the face of the planet. What? Israel is 2000 Kms away from Iran, and would want nothing do to with them if not for Iran's "Death to Israel" slogan and policy... > Do they? The IAEA declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations, hardly a "bullshit made-up excuse"
- imperfect_blue 1y ago>> It's that they believe they have a religious duty to destroy the state of Israel. > And the US is full of Christo-fascists who believe they have a religious duty to "defend" Israel by any means necessary. How do you even begin to equivocate this? One wants to destroy a country, one wants to protect it from destruction. > How do you think Palestinians sleep at night? With the threat of Israel, funded by the largest military in the world, looming over them every night? Israel has never actually wanted to end the lives of every Palestinian - and they've had ample capacity to do. The reverse can't be said to be true. If there's a button that the Iraqi or Palestinian leadership that can press that would wipe out the state of Israel and everyone in it, do you think that they won't press it as fast as they can?
- oa335 1y ago> Israel has never actually wanted to end the lives of every Palestinian They clearly and openly state that they want to force Palestinians off of their land and are using violence towards that end. If there were a button to get rid of Palestinians, Israelis would “hit it twice”. https://youtu.be/BkP78hyLl4w https://youtu.be/BkP78hyLl4w
- samjones33 1y agoThat is two random youtubers. You know better than to listen to rants on line... I hope!
- oa335 1y agoI posted that because it was illustrative and the podcasters used the same phrase, without any shame or compunction. Here’s a survey conducted by Israeli researchers showing that vast majority (82%) of Israelis surveyed support forcibly expelling Palestinians. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.premium/a-grim-poll-shows-most-jewish-israelis-support-expelling-gazans-its-brutal-and-true/00000197-3640-d9f1-abb7-7e742b300000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.p...
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- GlacierFox 1y ago_How do you think Palestinians sleep at night? With the threat of Israel, funded by the largest military in the world, looming over them every night?_ Probably pretty badly now after squandering decades on building tunnels, hiding weapons and generally being a backwards fundamentalist cultish death camp. It's a mini Iran, and just as hateful. There's a reasom there's a massive security wall along the Egyptian border. They know what's up.
- ngcazz 1y agoNone of what is going on in the Middle East is a "religious war" as such. That's a thought-terminating cliche that you're putting in practice pretty clearly here.