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My experience on the Caledonian sleeper, in a 'room' was quite cramped in all senses (I am over 6 feet tall), and quite expensive aswell. If that had been optim

by rocqua 1y ago

My experience on the Caledonian sleeper, in a 'room' was quite cramped in all senses (I am over 6 feet tall), and quite expensive aswell. If that had been optimized better, I would have enjoyed it more.

Freak_NL 1y ago
These renders do not make me feel as if I am even considered as a desirable passenger at 200 cm. The new ÖBB wagons seem much more practical (and currently exist). A normal sleeper train wagon with stacked beds in compartments is fine for me. This origami concept looks claustrophobic, and the sleeping positions seem to allow for no room for the normal movements you make in your sleep, let alone getting out to take a piss or something.
- ant6n 1y ago
  Well, you cannot assume ergonomics from renderings. That’s why we run extensive testing. We tested on a large range of people. In the pods there’s a fall off in perceived comfort around the 95th percentile. Even then, the feedback is overall quite good. In the larger pods, there’s actually an uptick in evaluation for taller people. Testers were often surprised how well it works. All beds have at lest 2m, although there are different degrees of becoming smaller at the foot end — just like in aviation business class (with ticket prices 1.5 orders of magnitudes higher).
  - pimlottc 1y ago
    As another tall person, that’s good to hear, but the pictures still make me skeptical. It would help if there were some actual dimensions listed.
    - ant6n 1y ago
      Some of the rail operators show diagrams with dimensions, although I'm having trouble finding it for Amtrak and Via Rail, it's like they don't want to show that anymore. Here's an example of what they used to show on their own website, but from a third party reseller: https://canadarail.ca/via-rail/the-canadian-train/sleeper-cabin-for-one/ https://canadarail.ca/via-rail/the-canadian-train/sleeper-ca... I think once our railcars actually operate, it would be a good idea to show something like this - especially since it allows showcasing that the seat is basically bigger than a first class seat (almost 60cm wide vs 45cm). But the dimensions keep changing around, so we don't want to make false promises for the exact dimensions. But the goal is that all beds at least have 2m length, even if narrow at the end.
  - fnomnom 1y ago
    >All beds have at lest 2m As another tall person here, the length of the matress/bed is not as critical as what comes when the bed ends. 2m matresses with a wall/bedend that is massive is way more umfortable for a tall person then a 1,9m matress with 20cm of air behind it. >just like in aviation business class Yeah but im not flying lay-down business class when i want to go Hamburg-Vienna because the trip is only 90mins. I fly lay-down business when going trans-atlantic or to asia.
- mathis-l 1y ago
  I’m 190cm and tested luna rail’s prototypes. I was amazed how much space I had, even in the smallest cabin. Definitely much better compared to any night train experience I’ve ever had
  - ant6n 1y ago
    Hi Mathis-l, thanks for the shout out!
matt-p 1y ago
Honestly they need far greater economies of scale to drop the price to where it needs to be. They should be competing with a daytime fare and giving you a bed in exchange for having the ability to run the train slow.
- ant6n 1y ago
  > They should be competing with a daytime fare and giving you a bed… That’s basically what we’re doing, since the capacity approaches that of day trains, the ticket costs should be similar. > …in exchange for having the ability to run the train slow. The railcars can go 200km/h. It’s not super high speed, but pretty competitive in Germany at least.

by rocqua 1y ago

Freak_NL 1y ago

These renders do not make me feel as if I am even considered as a desirable passenger at 200 cm. The new ÖBB wagons seem much more practical (and currently exist). A normal sleeper train wagon with stacked beds in compartments is fine for me. This origami concept looks claustrophobic, and the sleeping positions seem to allow for no room for the normal movements you make in your sleep, let alone getting out to take a piss or something.

ant6n 1y ago
Well, you cannot assume ergonomics from renderings. That’s why we run extensive testing. We tested on a large range of people. In the pods there’s a fall off in perceived comfort around the 95th percentile. Even then, the feedback is overall quite good. In the larger pods, there’s actually an uptick in evaluation for taller people. Testers were often surprised how well it works. All beds have at lest 2m, although there are different degrees of becoming smaller at the foot end — just like in aviation business class (with ticket prices 1.5 orders of magnitudes higher).
- pimlottc 1y ago
  As another tall person, that’s good to hear, but the pictures still make me skeptical. It would help if there were some actual dimensions listed.
  - ant6n 1y ago
    Some of the rail operators show diagrams with dimensions, although I'm having trouble finding it for Amtrak and Via Rail, it's like they don't want to show that anymore. Here's an example of what they used to show on their own website, but from a third party reseller: https://canadarail.ca/via-rail/the-canadian-train/sleeper-cabin-for-one/ https://canadarail.ca/via-rail/the-canadian-train/sleeper-ca... I think once our railcars actually operate, it would be a good idea to show something like this - especially since it allows showcasing that the seat is basically bigger than a first class seat (almost 60cm wide vs 45cm). But the dimensions keep changing around, so we don't want to make false promises for the exact dimensions. But the goal is that all beds at least have 2m length, even if narrow at the end.
- fnomnom 1y ago
  >All beds have at lest 2m As another tall person here, the length of the matress/bed is not as critical as what comes when the bed ends. 2m matresses with a wall/bedend that is massive is way more umfortable for a tall person then a 1,9m matress with 20cm of air behind it. >just like in aviation business class Yeah but im not flying lay-down business class when i want to go Hamburg-Vienna because the trip is only 90mins. I fly lay-down business when going trans-atlantic or to asia.
mathis-l 1y ago
I’m 190cm and tested luna rail’s prototypes. I was amazed how much space I had, even in the smallest cabin. Definitely much better compared to any night train experience I’ve ever had
- ant6n 1y ago
  Hi Mathis-l, thanks for the shout out!

matt-p 1y ago

Honestly they need far greater economies of scale to drop the price to where it needs to be. They should be competing with a daytime fare and giving you a bed in exchange for having the ability to run the train slow.

ant6n 1y ago
> They should be competing with a daytime fare and giving you a bed… That’s basically what we’re doing, since the capacity approaches that of day trains, the ticket costs should be similar. > …in exchange for having the ability to run the train slow. The railcars can go 200km/h. It’s not super high speed, but pretty competitive in Germany at least.