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First footage from the area doesn't appear to show any extended damage, so maybe it was all a show. Regardless, a sovereign country was bombed tonight just bec

by mrtksn 1y ago

First footage from the area doesn't appear to show any extended damage, so maybe it was all a show. Regardless, a sovereign country was bombed tonight just because they can. This, IMHO, can have very bad outcomes for the peace worldwide since it means that anybody who can bomb someone can just go ahead and do it. No more international order. What's next then? Bomb Brussels because EU doesn't buy chicken from USA? This stuff isn't OK. The regime change in Iran can be a silver lining if it changes with something more cooperative. But yes, I agree that this is unlikely.

motorest 1y ago
> Regardless, a sovereign country was bombed tonight just because they can. The dictatorial nature of Trump's order to attack a nation is far more concerning. Supposedly the US requires an act of Congress to authorize this sort of operation. Sidestepping congress underlines US's descent into totalitarianism and one of the very first acts crystalizing a dictatorship.
- adastra22 1y ago
  An act of Congress is not required for the first 60 days.
  - gehwartzen 1y ago
    The way the world works these days m 60 Days is enough for the president to unilaterally get us into war with literally every country on the planet. This president has clearly exposed the unarticulated parts of out laws which is supposed to make them work; The hope that the president will essentially act and interpret them in “good faith”
    - 8note 1y ago
      Congress and the US in general has had plenty of time to adjust the powers of the president as US naval, air, and communications capabilities have increased. not doing so is approval of the change in the president's power to initiate and wage war unilaterally without congressional involvement
breppp 1y ago
to be fair what you see is 6 bombs points of entry, you don't know what happened to the underground compound. From what I gathered from OSINT types, they have breached the ventilation shafts above the centrifuge halls
nivertech 1y ago
> a sovereign country was bombed tonight IRGC isn’t a sovereign country, it’s a designated terrorist organization You forgot that IRGC already directly attacked Israel twice in 2024 [1,2], and that’s not including countless proxy attacks and terrorist acts, culminating in October 7th massacres & atrocities You got it wrong: IRGC attacked and Israel retaliated US is just helped a little bit their ally > This stuff isn't OK. UN, ICC, ICG, etc. all became a $hit show, they don’t work. For 40 years IRGC threatened with Genocide of Jews, and they did nothing. Now when Jews retaliated: * This stuff isn't OK.* ;) —- 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Iranian_strikes... 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_o...
- 8note 1y ago
  huh? iran definitely has a sovereign government. just because you dont like it doesnt make it not true.
  - nivertech 1y ago
    Substance over form or De facto vs de jure Pedantic rule-based systems are easy to circumvent with loopholes and lacunas. That’s why we should look at the substance and not merely a [legal] form Examples: - form: a cryptocurrency, but substance: an unregistered security - “medical alcohol” during dry laws / Prohibition - “medical marijuana” & patients vs drug users - etc. —- Was Third Reich[1] a “sovereign government” or a front for The National Socialist German Workers' Party? Was USSR a “sovereign government” or a front for a Communist Party? Is Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) a “sovereign government” or merely a front for IRGC[2]? And wasn’t Iran/Persia already a “sovereign government” before IRGC staged a coup d'état (aka “revolution”)? —- > "De facto" and "de jure" are Latin terms used to distinguish between what exists in reality and what is legally recognized. "De facto" refers to something that exists in practice or reality, even if not officially established or legally recognized. "De jure" refers to something that is legally recognized or officially established —— 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_Corps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_...

by mrtksn 1y ago

motorest 1y ago

> Regardless, a sovereign country was bombed tonight just because they can. The dictatorial nature of Trump's order to attack a nation is far more concerning. Supposedly the US requires an act of Congress to authorize this sort of operation. Sidestepping congress underlines US's descent into totalitarianism and one of the very first acts crystalizing a dictatorship.

adastra22 1y ago
An act of Congress is not required for the first 60 days.
- gehwartzen 1y ago
  The way the world works these days m 60 Days is enough for the president to unilaterally get us into war with literally every country on the planet. This president has clearly exposed the unarticulated parts of out laws which is supposed to make them work; The hope that the president will essentially act and interpret them in “good faith”
  - 8note 1y ago
    Congress and the US in general has had plenty of time to adjust the powers of the president as US naval, air, and communications capabilities have increased. not doing so is approval of the change in the president's power to initiate and wage war unilaterally without congressional involvement

breppp 1y ago

to be fair what you see is 6 bombs points of entry, you don't know what happened to the underground compound. From what I gathered from OSINT types, they have breached the ventilation shafts above the centrifuge halls

nivertech 1y ago

> a sovereign country was bombed tonight IRGC isn’t a sovereign country, it’s a designated terrorist organization You forgot that IRGC already directly attacked Israel twice in 2024 [1,2], and that’s not including countless proxy attacks and terrorist acts, culminating in October 7th massacres & atrocities You got it wrong: IRGC attacked and Israel retaliated US is just helped a little bit their ally > This stuff isn't OK. UN, ICC, ICG, etc. all became a $hit show, they don’t work. For 40 years IRGC threatened with Genocide of Jews, and they did nothing. Now when Jews retaliated: * This stuff isn't OK.* ;) —- 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Iranian_strikes... 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_on_Israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_2024_Iranian_strikes_o...

8note 1y ago
huh? iran definitely has a sovereign government. just because you dont like it doesnt make it not true.
- nivertech 1y ago
  Substance over form or De facto vs de jure Pedantic rule-based systems are easy to circumvent with loopholes and lacunas. That’s why we should look at the substance and not merely a [legal] form Examples: - form: a cryptocurrency, but substance: an unregistered security - “medical alcohol” during dry laws / Prohibition - “medical marijuana” & patients vs drug users - etc. —- Was Third Reich[1] a “sovereign government” or a front for The National Socialist German Workers' Party? Was USSR a “sovereign government” or a front for a Communist Party? Is Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) a “sovereign government” or merely a front for IRGC[2]? And wasn’t Iran/Persia already a “sovereign government” before IRGC staged a coup d'état (aka “revolution”)? —- > "De facto" and "de jure" are Latin terms used to distinguish between what exists in reality and what is legally recognized. "De facto" refers to something that exists in practice or reality, even if not officially established or legally recognized. "De jure" refers to something that is legally recognized or officially established —— 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany 2. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_Corps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_...