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> Ansar Allah has managed to largely shut down the port of Eilat, one of only 3 major ports in Israel, and Israel relies on maritime imports to sustain itself.

> Ansar Allah has managed to largely shut down the port of Eilat, one of only 3 major ports in Israel, and Israel relies on maritime imports to sustain itself. That was mostly due to the blockade, it doesn't justify the rockets. That mostly damages a private company and doesn't cost Israel much in the grand scheme of things considering Israel has 2 additional large ports. > They aren't detered by Israeli bombs because they've been bombed by the Saudis for over a decade in their ongoing civil war. That's exactly what I'm saying. Death of their own people doesn't fit into their equation. > But all of this talk about nuclear bombs and jihad is hypothetical. Meanwhile only one country in the MidEast has an ACTUAL undeclared nuclear arsenal, and it's the country that has occupied territory in multiple neighboring countries while conducting an ethnic cleansing that has cost the lives of tens of thousands of women and children. That mixes a lot of different things and is mostly false. Unlike them Israel never called for an annihilation of a different state. It called for a regime change. It never made a threat related to nukes other than one idiotic member of parliament who said something stupid. Israeli demonstrators never called for death to Iran and even now the targets in Iran focus on the people/infrastructure behind the nuclear program while Iran targeted many civilian areas. The claim of ethnic cleansing is also false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the situation in Gaza. There are Israelis who are justifiably warning that Israel is headed in that direction, but it physically hasn't happened yet. There are many civilian casualties and that is indeed horrible and tragic, but blaming Israel for it is contributing to the death toll. If you're such a believer in Islamic logic then please explain why Hamas is still holding 53 Israeli hostages? That is Israels main excuse for the war, without them the war will be over. What is the logic behind that? Hamas sees Israel as a western nation. It believes that without western support Israel will collapse. In that sense the western outrage over the violence in Gaza is fuel to Hamas, it gives them incentive to keep the violence going and encourages them to use children. It encourages them to hoard the aid sent by the west and produce a picture of starvation amongst their own people. The Israeli right-wing also benefits from this. They know that if the west abandons support for Israel it will allow them to do whatever they want. They believe that no amount of compromise will ever satisfy Palestinian extremists and they encourage taking harder action against them to fuel a war. These sorts of stances and misinformation in the west is contributing to more violence and Palestinian death.

unethical_ban 1y ago
>The claim of ethnic cleansing is also false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the situation in Gaza. There are Israelis who are justifiably warning that Israel is headed in that direction, but it physically hasn't happened yet. There are many civilian casualties and that is indeed horrible and tragic, but blaming Israel for it is contributing to the death toll. Oh wow. A floor of 50,000 dead, every city razed, barely any functioning infrastructure and a blockage on medical and food assistance. Israel chooses this.
- invalidname 1y ago
  How many of the 50,000 are indeed Hamas combatants? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/05/far-past-time-to-stop-paying-attention-to-hamas-lies/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/05/far-past-time-to... Or archived link: https://archive.is/D85m0 https://archive.is/D85m0 Israel didn't start this war. Hamas started it and is keeping it going by refusing to release the 53 civilian hostages it is holding. They are hiding under the cities, under the hospitals and all over the region. I think the Israeli right-wing took that Hamas bait and used that to commit far more violence than it should have. Hamas is using it to prop western outrage which it believes will bring down Israel. The Israeli right-wing is happy about western outrage because they believe it will force Israel into isolation and let them do whatever they want.
CapricornNoble 1y ago
> That mostly damages a private company and doesn't cost Israel much in the grand scheme of things considering Israel has 2 additional large ports. Ansar Allah suppresses the port of Eilat while Iran suppresses the port of Haifa ( https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/shipping-company-maersk-temporarily-pauses-haifa-port-calls-2025-06-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/shipping-company-m... ). I don't think Israel can be adequately supplied by the throughput of Ashdod alone. > That mixes a lot of different things and is mostly false. No, it is NOT "mostly false". Does Israel have an undeclared nuclear arsenal? YES. Does Israel occupy territory in multiple neighboring countries? YES (in both Syria and Lebanon, see: https://www.972mag.com/southern-syria-new-israeli-occupation/ https://www.972mag.com/southern-syria-new-israeli-occupation... and https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-will-leave-troops-5-locations-lebanon-after-tuesday-deadline-military-2025-02-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-will-leave-...) Is Israel conducting an ethnic cleansing? See my clarification below, but also YES. >The claim of ethnic cleansing is also false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the situation in Gaza. Well if we want to get technical, Israel is conducting a genocide, as ethnic cleansing is not precisely defined. Any rational human being can pull up the definition of genocide on the UN website and conclude for themselves by assessing each criteria, particularly #1 and #3. It's not complicated. https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition We see the stream of images of dead, maimed, and starving children. We have the first-hand accounts of western aid workers and doctors trying to save lives in Gaza, reporting anomalies that even veteran conflict doctors haven't seen before (such as disproportionate head and torso small arms wounds on children). And perhaps more importantly, we see and hear the things Israeli politicians say about Palestinians. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/senior-israeli-official-says-palestinian-adults-gaza-should-be-eliminated https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/senior-israeli-official-s... Should we not take a member of the Knesset at his word? https://kol-barama.co.il/item/%D7%97%D7%9B-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%95%D7%90%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%A7%D7%A9%D7%94-%D7%94%D7%9D-%D7%A0%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%90%D7%A3/ https://kol-barama.co.il/item/%D7%97%D7%9B-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A... Should we not take Israeli Cabinet Ministers at their word, for establishing intent to destroy these people? https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-gaza-to-be-totally-destroyed-population-concentrated-in-small-area/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-gaza-to-be-total... and such language is not a new development, here's the Defense Minister back in 2018: https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza-says-israel-defence-minister/article23472104.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/there-are-no-inn... > There are many civilian casualties and that is indeed horrible and tragic, but blaming Israel for it is contributing to the death toll. Why are you using passive language? Why are there civilian casualties? They don't just magically appear on their own. There would be no civilian casualties if Israel wasn't dropping bombs on peoples' homes. There would be no civilian casualties if the IDF wasn't ambushing convoys of first responders. > If you're such a believer in Islamic logic then please explain why Hamas is still holding 53 Israeli hostages? I will not allow you to deflect from the core issue at hand by pivoting the conversation to Hamas. The point is to compare and assess the two principle STATE ACTORS, one of which sits on a nuclear arsenal while massacring civilians, and one of which is on the receiving end of "preemptive strikes" while not possessing equivalent weapons. > Hamas sees Israel as a western nation. It believes that without western support Israel will collapse. Hamas isn't wrong, which is probably why Israel spends such a massive amount of treasure and effort on propaganda directed at western audiences. The Israeli air force would have been grounded months ago if not for a blank check to get fuel and ordnance from the US. Israel's jets drink more aviation fuel than Israel can ever refine itself. > It encourages them to hoard the aid sent by the west and produce a picture of starvation amongst their own people. Hamas aren't the ones intercepting aid shipments in international waters. Israel is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/02/europe/gaza-flotilla-ship-sos-intl-hkn https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/02/europe/gaza-flotilla-ship...

unethical_ban 1y ago

>The claim of ethnic cleansing is also false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the situation in Gaza. There are Israelis who are justifiably warning that Israel is headed in that direction, but it physically hasn't happened yet. There are many civilian casualties and that is indeed horrible and tragic, but blaming Israel for it is contributing to the death toll. Oh wow. A floor of 50,000 dead, every city razed, barely any functioning infrastructure and a blockage on medical and food assistance. Israel chooses this.

invalidname 1y ago
How many of the 50,000 are indeed Hamas combatants? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/05/far-past-time-to-stop-paying-attention-to-hamas-lies/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/05/far-past-time-to... Or archived link: https://archive.is/D85m0 https://archive.is/D85m0 Israel didn't start this war. Hamas started it and is keeping it going by refusing to release the 53 civilian hostages it is holding. They are hiding under the cities, under the hospitals and all over the region. I think the Israeli right-wing took that Hamas bait and used that to commit far more violence than it should have. Hamas is using it to prop western outrage which it believes will bring down Israel. The Israeli right-wing is happy about western outrage because they believe it will force Israel into isolation and let them do whatever they want.

CapricornNoble 1y ago

> That mostly damages a private company and doesn't cost Israel much in the grand scheme of things considering Israel has 2 additional large ports. Ansar Allah suppresses the port of Eilat while Iran suppresses the port of Haifa ( https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/shipping-company-maersk-temporarily-pauses-haifa-port-calls-2025-06-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/shipping-company-m... ). I don't think Israel can be adequately supplied by the throughput of Ashdod alone. > That mixes a lot of different things and is mostly false. No, it is NOT "mostly false". Does Israel have an undeclared nuclear arsenal? YES. Does Israel occupy territory in multiple neighboring countries? YES (in both Syria and Lebanon, see: https://www.972mag.com/southern-syria-new-israeli-occupation/ https://www.972mag.com/southern-syria-new-israeli-occupation... and https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-will-leave-troops-5-locations-lebanon-after-tuesday-deadline-military-2025-02-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-will-leave-...) Is Israel conducting an ethnic cleansing? See my clarification below, but also YES. >The claim of ethnic cleansing is also false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the situation in Gaza. Well if we want to get technical, Israel is conducting a genocide, as ethnic cleansing is not precisely defined. Any rational human being can pull up the definition of genocide on the UN website and conclude for themselves by assessing each criteria, particularly #1 and #3. It's not complicated. https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition We see the stream of images of dead, maimed, and starving children. We have the first-hand accounts of western aid workers and doctors trying to save lives in Gaza, reporting anomalies that even veteran conflict doctors haven't seen before (such as disproportionate head and torso small arms wounds on children). And perhaps more importantly, we see and hear the things Israeli politicians say about Palestinians. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/senior-israeli-official-says-palestinian-adults-gaza-should-be-eliminated https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/senior-israeli-official-s... Should we not take a member of the Knesset at his word? https://kol-barama.co.il/item/%D7%97%D7%9B-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%95%D7%90%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%A7%D7%A9%D7%94-%D7%94%D7%9D-%D7%A0%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%90%D7%A3/ https://kol-barama.co.il/item/%D7%97%D7%9B-%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A... Should we not take Israeli Cabinet Ministers at their word, for establishing intent to destroy these people? https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-gaza-to-be-totally-destroyed-population-concentrated-in-small-area/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/smotrich-says-gaza-to-be-total... and such language is not a new development, here's the Defense Minister back in 2018: https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza-says-israel-defence-minister/article23472104.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/there-are-no-inn... > There are many civilian casualties and that is indeed horrible and tragic, but blaming Israel for it is contributing to the death toll. Why are you using passive language? Why are there civilian casualties? They don't just magically appear on their own. There would be no civilian casualties if Israel wasn't dropping bombs on peoples' homes. There would be no civilian casualties if the IDF wasn't ambushing convoys of first responders. > If you're such a believer in Islamic logic then please explain why Hamas is still holding 53 Israeli hostages? I will not allow you to deflect from the core issue at hand by pivoting the conversation to Hamas. The point is to compare and assess the two principle STATE ACTORS, one of which sits on a nuclear arsenal while massacring civilians, and one of which is on the receiving end of "preemptive strikes" while not possessing equivalent weapons. > Hamas sees Israel as a western nation. It believes that without western support Israel will collapse. Hamas isn't wrong, which is probably why Israel spends such a massive amount of treasure and effort on propaganda directed at western audiences. The Israeli air force would have been grounded months ago if not for a blank check to get fuel and ordnance from the US. Israel's jets drink more aviation fuel than Israel can ever refine itself. > It encourages them to hoard the aid sent by the west and produce a picture of starvation amongst their own people. Hamas aren't the ones intercepting aid shipments in international waters. Israel is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_flotilla_raid https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/02/europe/gaza-flotilla-ship-sos-intl-hkn https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/02/europe/gaza-flotilla-ship...