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I do agree with the sentiment here, but "no amount of diplomacy" isn't really a description of Iran's government. That's completely unfair to Iran. They had IA

I do agree with the sentiment here, but "no amount of diplomacy" isn't really a description of Iran's government. That's completely unfair to Iran. They had IAEA inspectors in their country and they were negotiating with the US (a nation who has put crippling sanctions on them). Then a country that doesn't have IAEA inspectors bombed them, killing the people that very people who were negotiating with the US. Their message since than has been reasonable; "we won't negotiate while Israel is attacking us". How much more diplomatic would you like them to be? They can't just roll over and take it, or they'll be finished.

crubier 1y ago
> How much more diplomatic would you like them to be? I don't know maybe just start by not swearing that your neighbor must be destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...
- KaiserPro 1y ago
  india/pakistan whitter on about it all the time. As did the french/english. But, if you were near to a country that was busily invading neighbours, run by religious zealots, a huge military had a history of using allies to attack you and is obviously illegally playing with nuclear bombs what would you do? The problem is, that describes both iran and israel.
- LAC-Tech 1y ago
  How's your Persian? "Marg Bar <noun" appears to a ritualistic phrase, meaning 'down with': https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/69301/what-do-those-iranians-who-say-death-to-america-mean-by-it https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/69301/what-do-t... Here they are saying "Death to Khamenei" over power outages: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2021-07-06/ty-article/death-to-khamenei-after-protests-iran-president-apologizes-over-power-blackouts/0000017f-efed-dc28-a17f-ffff86dd0000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2021-07-06/ty-... Here's a story of a taxi driver saying "Death to traffic": https://blog.ricksteves.com/blog/death-to-israel-death-to-traffic/ https://blog.ricksteves.com/blog/death-to-israel-death-to-tr... It's also worth pointing out that wanting Israel (the state) destroyed is not the same thing as wanting everyone who lives there to die. I'm glad the Third Reich was destroyed, I'm also glad the German people survived it.
- karmakurtisaani 1y ago
  Let's retire this argument already. None of this rhetoric means anything until it's put to action, which Iran has never done. This is something the leaders say to gain popular support by acting like they have an enemy to fight. Similar to Trump claiming Mexico will pay for the wall.
  - os2warpman 1y ago
    >None of this rhetoric means anything until it's put to action, which Iran has never done. Hezbollah.
    - karmakurtisaani 1y ago
      Yeah, but with that it doesn't matter what they say to their own people.
_heimdall 1y ago
My point wasn't that they haven't practiced some level of diplomacy. I was commenting on the level with with the earlier comment spoke of their diplomacy, and the seeming implication that they couldn't have been more diplomatic. Calling for death to America, speaking of desires for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth, funding non-state militant actors in the region, etc are all acts that inflame and go counter to the diplomacy they were otherwise taking part in.
- netsharc 1y ago
  Result 4 of 9 for "Death to America". Do you like it when people quote you out of context? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44342393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44342393
  - _heimdall 1y ago
    You're just making my point. Calling for the death of the US or Israeli governments goes against the comment I replied to which attempted to make a case that Iran has been as diplomatic as possible.
    - lerp-io 1y ago
      I wasn’t implying they were diplomatic as possible. I was simply suggesting that diplomacy will only get you so far. there is a threshold after which you simply need to have the power and resources to defend your nation from foreign adversaries with whatever means possible, one of which is nukes - presumably a relatively cheap option if u already have the R&D.
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crubier 1y ago

> How much more diplomatic would you like them to be? I don't know maybe just start by not swearing that your neighbor must be destroyed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Iranian_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Israel_in_Irani...

KaiserPro 1y ago
india/pakistan whitter on about it all the time. As did the french/english. But, if you were near to a country that was busily invading neighbours, run by religious zealots, a huge military had a history of using allies to attack you and is obviously illegally playing with nuclear bombs what would you do? The problem is, that describes both iran and israel.
LAC-Tech 1y ago
How's your Persian? "Marg Bar <noun" appears to a ritualistic phrase, meaning 'down with': https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/69301/what-do-those-iranians-who-say-death-to-america-mean-by-it https://politics.stackexchange.com/questions/69301/what-do-t... Here they are saying "Death to Khamenei" over power outages: https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2021-07-06/ty-article/death-to-khamenei-after-protests-iran-president-apologizes-over-power-blackouts/0000017f-efed-dc28-a17f-ffff86dd0000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2021-07-06/ty-... Here's a story of a taxi driver saying "Death to traffic": https://blog.ricksteves.com/blog/death-to-israel-death-to-traffic/ https://blog.ricksteves.com/blog/death-to-israel-death-to-tr... It's also worth pointing out that wanting Israel (the state) destroyed is not the same thing as wanting everyone who lives there to die. I'm glad the Third Reich was destroyed, I'm also glad the German people survived it.
karmakurtisaani 1y ago
Let's retire this argument already. None of this rhetoric means anything until it's put to action, which Iran has never done. This is something the leaders say to gain popular support by acting like they have an enemy to fight. Similar to Trump claiming Mexico will pay for the wall.
- os2warpman 1y ago
  >None of this rhetoric means anything until it's put to action, which Iran has never done. Hezbollah.
  - karmakurtisaani 1y ago
    Yeah, but with that it doesn't matter what they say to their own people.

_heimdall 1y ago

My point wasn't that they haven't practiced some level of diplomacy. I was commenting on the level with with the earlier comment spoke of their diplomacy, and the seeming implication that they couldn't have been more diplomatic. Calling for death to America, speaking of desires for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth, funding non-state militant actors in the region, etc are all acts that inflame and go counter to the diplomacy they were otherwise taking part in.

netsharc 1y ago
Result 4 of 9 for "Death to America". Do you like it when people quote you out of context? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44342393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44342393
- _heimdall 1y ago
  You're just making my point. Calling for the death of the US or Israeli governments goes against the comment I replied to which attempted to make a case that Iran has been as diplomatic as possible.
  - lerp-io 1y ago
    I wasn’t implying they were diplomatic as possible. I was simply suggesting that diplomacy will only get you so far. there is a threshold after which you simply need to have the power and resources to defend your nation from foreign adversaries with whatever means possible, one of which is nukes - presumably a relatively cheap option if u already have the R&D.
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