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No but talking badly of the royal family will get you executed: https://cpj.org/2025/06/saudi-arabia-executes-journalist-turki-al-jasser-on-treason-terrorism-ch

No but talking badly of the royal family will get you executed: https://cpj.org/2025/06/saudi-arabia-executes-journalist-turki-al-jasser-on-treason-terrorism-charges/ https://cpj.org/2025/06/saudi-arabia-executes-journalist-tur...

reissbaker 1y ago
You claimed "women's rights in Iran are lightyears ahead of Saudi Arabia." And Iran executes plenty of journalists too.
- koevet 1y ago
  Saudi Arabia has killed and dismembered a journalist in their own embassy in Istambul, Jamal Khashoggi.
- mahkeiro 1y ago
  3 years ago Saudi Arabia set into its law (on the international women’s day) that a male relative always have control on a woman. A few years ago only, women were allowed to drive but as of today they are very few female drivers. But that’s not the point, the point is the hypocrisy to point at a political regime because he his not aligned with your views while having as a best friend the worst absolute monarchy.
  - reissbaker 1y ago
    #56 vs #113. They're both bad, but one is worse, and famously murders women for showing their hair. And that's Iran.
    - t-3 1y ago
      You can find many videos of people walking around cities in Iran - not only are plenty of women not covering their hair, there's plenty of dyed hair too. Dress is a bit more conservative than western countries, but not by much, and women are obviously free - and feel safe - to leave the house unescorted. Iran has liberalized a lot compared to the post-revolutionary period.
      - reissbaker 1y ago
        Mahsa Amini was famously beaten to death by Iran's morality police in 2022 for the crime of not wearing a hijab. Even modern-day Iran is incredibly oppressive to women, and is currently ranked #113 on the Gender Inequality Index.
        mahkeiro 1y ago
        In Saudi Arabia they just disappear or are even executed in total secrecy. They even execute women that were raped… https://reprieve.org/uk/2023/01/31/saudi-arabia-and-the-death-penalty-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-rise-in-executions-under-mohammed-bin-salman/ https://reprieve.org/uk/2023/01/31/saudi-arabia-and-the-deat... And please have a look at your index, if there a broken one it is this one https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/thematic-composite-indices/gender-inequality-index#/indicies/GII https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/thematic-composite-indices/... In 2013 Saudi Arabia went from almost last to ahead of countries like Cuba… Cuba may not be a great country but female don’t need a perpetual male tutor to do anything.
  - codethief 1y ago
    > A few years ago only, women were allowed to drive but as of today they are very few female drivers. Maybe. But overall Saudi Arabia has been undergoing pretty dramatic changes in recent years: Women can now drive, are no longer required to wear a hijab, are allowed to work, can meet with male friends/non-relatives without the police stopping them, etc. Yes, it's still a far cry from what women are allowed to do in western countries, and absolute change is still slow, but relatively speaking it's still quite impressive and gives me (and apparently people there) hope. Source: I was in Saudi and talked to people.
    - aaaja 1y ago
      Did you talk to any Saudi women about this?
      - codethief 1y ago
        Yes, quite a few actually. I do have to mention, though, that the women I talked to were from the cities, usually very well educated (studied abroad, spoke English / grew up with Netflix, etc.), and/or used to tourists. I didn't dare talking to women in the smaller, more rural towns as I wasn't sure about repercussions (for them). Plus there would have been the language barrier, anyway. Overall, there seemed to be a rather pronounced divide between the cities and the country side: In the cities you did see the occasional woman without hijab, some women working (particularly in the hospitality industry), and a few women driving (though still not many). Meanwhile, in more rural areas tradition strongly prevailed. So none of the things I mentioned are really commonplace yet (not even in the cities) – it's just that at the very least they're legal now and people (women) are making their first baby steps towards enjoying their newfound freedom.

reissbaker 1y ago

You claimed "women's rights in Iran are lightyears ahead of Saudi Arabia." And Iran executes plenty of journalists too.

koevet 1y ago
Saudi Arabia has killed and dismembered a journalist in their own embassy in Istambul, Jamal Khashoggi.
mahkeiro 1y ago
3 years ago Saudi Arabia set into its law (on the international women’s day) that a male relative always have control on a woman. A few years ago only, women were allowed to drive but as of today they are very few female drivers. But that’s not the point, the point is the hypocrisy to point at a political regime because he his not aligned with your views while having as a best friend the worst absolute monarchy.
- reissbaker 1y ago
  #56 vs #113. They're both bad, but one is worse, and famously murders women for showing their hair. And that's Iran.
  - t-3 1y ago
    You can find many videos of people walking around cities in Iran - not only are plenty of women not covering their hair, there's plenty of dyed hair too. Dress is a bit more conservative than western countries, but not by much, and women are obviously free - and feel safe - to leave the house unescorted. Iran has liberalized a lot compared to the post-revolutionary period.
    - reissbaker 1y ago
      Mahsa Amini was famously beaten to death by Iran's morality police in 2022 for the crime of not wearing a hijab. Even modern-day Iran is incredibly oppressive to women, and is currently ranked #113 on the Gender Inequality Index.
      - mahkeiro 1y ago
        In Saudi Arabia they just disappear or are even executed in total secrecy. They even execute women that were raped… https://reprieve.org/uk/2023/01/31/saudi-arabia-and-the-death-penalty-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-rise-in-executions-under-mohammed-bin-salman/ https://reprieve.org/uk/2023/01/31/saudi-arabia-and-the-deat... And please have a look at your index, if there a broken one it is this one https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/thematic-composite-indices/gender-inequality-index#/indicies/GII https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/thematic-composite-indices/... In 2013 Saudi Arabia went from almost last to ahead of countries like Cuba… Cuba may not be a great country but female don’t need a perpetual male tutor to do anything.
- codethief 1y ago
  > A few years ago only, women were allowed to drive but as of today they are very few female drivers. Maybe. But overall Saudi Arabia has been undergoing pretty dramatic changes in recent years: Women can now drive, are no longer required to wear a hijab, are allowed to work, can meet with male friends/non-relatives without the police stopping them, etc. Yes, it's still a far cry from what women are allowed to do in western countries, and absolute change is still slow, but relatively speaking it's still quite impressive and gives me (and apparently people there) hope. Source: I was in Saudi and talked to people.
  - aaaja 1y ago
    Did you talk to any Saudi women about this?
    - codethief 1y ago
      Yes, quite a few actually. I do have to mention, though, that the women I talked to were from the cities, usually very well educated (studied abroad, spoke English / grew up with Netflix, etc.), and/or used to tourists. I didn't dare talking to women in the smaller, more rural towns as I wasn't sure about repercussions (for them). Plus there would have been the language barrier, anyway. Overall, there seemed to be a rather pronounced divide between the cities and the country side: In the cities you did see the occasional woman without hijab, some women working (particularly in the hospitality industry), and a few women driving (though still not many). Meanwhile, in more rural areas tradition strongly prevailed. So none of the things I mentioned are really commonplace yet (not even in the cities) – it's just that at the very least they're legal now and people (women) are making their first baby steps towards enjoying their newfound freedom.