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Why do you see it as bloodlust though? If (if) this destroyed a nuclear weapons program, that is good for the world. No one can predict the downstream consequ

Why do you see it as bloodlust though? If (if) this destroyed a nuclear weapons program, that is good for the world. No one can predict the downstream consequences of today, but I fail to see an argument for why the world benefits from another nation getting the bomb.

LAC-Tech 1y ago
The only nation in the middle east with a nuclear weapons program is Israel. Why not destroy that one? It's objectively more of a threat to the region than Iran's.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > only nation in the middle east with a nuclear weapons program is Israel. Why not destroy that one? Put simply: they have it. One of the unfair truths of nuclear geopolitics is the power asymmetry between nuclear and non-nuclear states. (And the collective interest of the former in nuclear NIMBYism.)
- IncreasePosts 1y ago
  Yes, I guess if all of your neighbors want to kill Jews, then having Jews there is quite the threat!
  - LAC-Tech 1y ago
    The amount of jews killed by Israels neighbours is statistically insignificant compared to the amount of gentiles killed by Israel. Jewish lives are not worth more than other peoples.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      >The amount of jews killed by Israels neighbours is statistically insignificant it's not for lack of trying
karmakurtisaani 1y ago
It's naive to think that is the question to think about here. Did you believe in Saddam's WMDs as well? With less snark, this will only end peacefully as soon as possible with some diplomacy, or in a massive humanitarian disaster.
WastedCucumber 1y ago
I do see this as bloodlust as well. I think the attacks aren't just about a nuclear weapons program. First, the program, according to US intelligence, does not exist. I'm inclined to believe them. [1] Second, unrelated infrastructure has been attacked, including energy infrastructure, hospitals, and state media. All of that points not to the destruction of a nuclear weapons program, but of a country. The Israeli government claims to want regime change now... but that claim only came some time after the attacks started and there's no reason in that case to bomb hospitals. The Israeli government claimed the hospitals were "hiding" missle sites, but haven't presented any evidence of that, and have used that excuse many times before now, and were clearly lying. Ah, plus the countries involved are engaged in a separate act of bloodlust at the moment. Which doesn't directly mean that the attacks against Iran are the same, but it certainly colors the picture. [1] https://apnews.com/article/gabbard-trump-intelligence-iran-nuclear-program-51c8d85d536f8628870c110ac05bb518 https://apnews.com/article/gabbard-trump-intelligence-iran-n...
- IncreasePosts 1y ago
  Why do you take her testimony as gospel? As I understand it, the Israelis have infiltrated Iranian chain of command far more thoroughly than the US has. Maybe she didn't have all the info the Israelis had at the time? Maybe new information came to light? Maybe it was a diplomatic response attempting to get them to the bargaining table? Lots of possibilities here other than "the DNI testimony is was and will always be true" I find it fairly suspicious to hear "Iran doesn't have a nuke program. Yes, they're enriching uranium to a point where it's only use is a nuclear weapon, but they have no plans to build a nuclear weapon"
owebmaster 1y ago
It's good for Iran enemies. The world is not one of Iran's enemy
techpineapple 1y ago
People have made the point that the world, relative to the time before the bomb, is a more peaceful place. So if a few countries having the bomb makes it peaceful, maybe more bombs make it more peaceful?

LAC-Tech 1y ago

The only nation in the middle east with a nuclear weapons program is Israel. Why not destroy that one? It's objectively more of a threat to the region than Iran's.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> only nation in the middle east with a nuclear weapons program is Israel. Why not destroy that one? Put simply: they have it. One of the unfair truths of nuclear geopolitics is the power asymmetry between nuclear and non-nuclear states. (And the collective interest of the former in nuclear NIMBYism.)
IncreasePosts 1y ago
Yes, I guess if all of your neighbors want to kill Jews, then having Jews there is quite the threat!
- LAC-Tech 1y ago
  The amount of jews killed by Israels neighbours is statistically insignificant compared to the amount of gentiles killed by Israel. Jewish lives are not worth more than other peoples.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    >The amount of jews killed by Israels neighbours is statistically insignificant it's not for lack of trying

karmakurtisaani 1y ago

It's naive to think that is the question to think about here. Did you believe in Saddam's WMDs as well? With less snark, this will only end peacefully as soon as possible with some diplomacy, or in a massive humanitarian disaster.

WastedCucumber 1y ago

I do see this as bloodlust as well. I think the attacks aren't just about a nuclear weapons program. First, the program, according to US intelligence, does not exist. I'm inclined to believe them. [1] Second, unrelated infrastructure has been attacked, including energy infrastructure, hospitals, and state media. All of that points not to the destruction of a nuclear weapons program, but of a country. The Israeli government claims to want regime change now... but that claim only came some time after the attacks started and there's no reason in that case to bomb hospitals. The Israeli government claimed the hospitals were "hiding" missle sites, but haven't presented any evidence of that, and have used that excuse many times before now, and were clearly lying. Ah, plus the countries involved are engaged in a separate act of bloodlust at the moment. Which doesn't directly mean that the attacks against Iran are the same, but it certainly colors the picture. [1] https://apnews.com/article/gabbard-trump-intelligence-iran-nuclear-program-51c8d85d536f8628870c110ac05bb518 https://apnews.com/article/gabbard-trump-intelligence-iran-n...

IncreasePosts 1y ago
Why do you take her testimony as gospel? As I understand it, the Israelis have infiltrated Iranian chain of command far more thoroughly than the US has. Maybe she didn't have all the info the Israelis had at the time? Maybe new information came to light? Maybe it was a diplomatic response attempting to get them to the bargaining table? Lots of possibilities here other than "the DNI testimony is was and will always be true" I find it fairly suspicious to hear "Iran doesn't have a nuke program. Yes, they're enriching uranium to a point where it's only use is a nuclear weapon, but they have no plans to build a nuclear weapon"

owebmaster 1y ago

It's good for Iran enemies. The world is not one of Iran's enemy

techpineapple 1y ago

People have made the point that the world, relative to the time before the bomb, is a more peaceful place. So if a few countries having the bomb makes it peaceful, maybe more bombs make it more peaceful?