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At least 60% of the 90 million are closet Christians or atheists in a country where you get the death penalty for renouncing islam. You think we need to occupy

At least 60% of the 90 million are closet Christians or atheists in a country where you get the death penalty for renouncing islam. You think we need to occupy them? This isn't Iraq.

jordanb 1y ago
Well in that case I'm sure they're totally cool with us bombing them and look forward to being greeted as liberators.
adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
I'm pretty sure that's what the bush crowd was saying about Iraq too
- serf 1y ago
  it wasn't the 'Bush crowd'; it was everyone but a few dissenting critical journalists.[0][1] war and conflict are almost always bipartisan to some degree. [0]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_91981 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_9... [1]: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iraq/journalism-press-failed-iraq-walcott https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iraq/journalism-press-failed-...
soganess 1y ago
60%? Serious citation needed. The largest Christian population in Iran are Armenians. There are far fewer than 1 million Armenians in Iran. So unless you have evidence for the claim that there are 50+ million atheists in Iran, the number just defies belief. I would be shocked if there were 50 million atheists in America. Maybe if you included people who are spiritual but do not believe directly in a god. Maybe I could accept it then, but at that point, you are stretching the definition of 'atheist' to its breaking point.
- throw72838474 1y ago
  Trump thinks regime change will happen instantly and easily. Maybe he has secret source front NSA and CIA, who track private messages of Iranians! 60% of Iranians are secret christians. 38% are closeted gays! A few bombs, everyone comes out of closet, unconditional surrender, democracy, live happily ever after... Sounds like American movie...
- djfivyvusn 1y ago
  I guess I should have said non Muslim, I knew it was around 60 though. https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Religion-Survey-2020-English.pdf https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Re...
  - dreghgh 1y ago
    Did you read the appendix? 85% of respondents have a college degree, with the actual proportion in the population being 28%. This survey is heavily weighted towards emigres and people who know emigres.
    - ryantgtg 1y ago
      Not arguing your point. Just thought I’d share that of the emigres I know (big families that left starting in the late 60s) all are either Christian or Zoorastrian (to some degree). To them the Islamic conquest of Persia is not old news!
      - selimthegrim 1y ago
        Not even any Bahais? I know plenty of emigres from the 70s in the US (LA even) who are still culturally Shia and observant
        ryantgtg 1y ago
        Maybe! We mostly just discuss things like, “Do you want more food? Take more food!”
    - djfivyvusn 1y ago
      So only stupid people believe in islam got it.
Tika2234 1y ago
America allies, Saudi head chop more than Iran. And there are 100K Jews in Iran and they get into parliament too. Show me that in Israel. You got confused with Saudi and Pakistan. Dont think 60% there Christian or atheist there. Westrrn media is always BS. They got so many wrongs since 2 deacdes ago, I read way less western stuff these days. Otherwise my whole world view looks like Marvel MCU and Tom Cruise with Arnie running around with guns.
- reissbaker 1y ago
  There many Jews in parliament in Israel! (If you mean Muslims, or Arabs, there are plenty of those in the Israeli parliament too.)
- loandbehold 1y ago
  Around 20% if Israeli parliament is Arab which is about the same as percentage of Israelis who are Arab.
- sir0010010 1y ago
  Your numbers are way off: there are between 10k and 20k Jews in Iran. There are also 5 parliament seats in Iranian parliament (out of 290 members) that are reserved for religious minorities, of which two seats are for Armenians, one for Syrians, one for Jews and one for Zoroastrians.
idiotsecant 1y ago
It's like there's an echo from every other stupid poll-raising middle east adventure we've ever gotten into. This is a stupid war being waged by idiots against idiots . Unfortunately none of those idiots calling the shots will die, it'll be a bunch of kids who just made the mistake of not being rich and powerful enough.

At least 60% of the 90 million are closet Christians or atheists in a country where you get the death penalty for renouncing islam. You think we need to occupy them? This isn't Iraq.

jordanb 1y ago

Well in that case I'm sure they're totally cool with us bombing them and look forward to being greeted as liberators.

adgjlsfhk1 1y ago

I'm pretty sure that's what the bush crowd was saying about Iraq too

serf 1y ago
it wasn't the 'Bush crowd'; it was everyone but a few dissenting critical journalists.[0][1] war and conflict are almost always bipartisan to some degree. [0]: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_91981 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-reporting-team-that-g_n_9... [1]: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iraq/journalism-press-failed-iraq-walcott https://www.foreignaffairs.com/iraq/journalism-press-failed-...

soganess 1y ago

60%? Serious citation needed. The largest Christian population in Iran are Armenians. There are far fewer than 1 million Armenians in Iran. So unless you have evidence for the claim that there are 50+ million atheists in Iran, the number just defies belief. I would be shocked if there were 50 million atheists in America. Maybe if you included people who are spiritual but do not believe directly in a god. Maybe I could accept it then, but at that point, you are stretching the definition of 'atheist' to its breaking point.

throw72838474 1y ago
Trump thinks regime change will happen instantly and easily. Maybe he has secret source front NSA and CIA, who track private messages of Iranians! 60% of Iranians are secret christians. 38% are closeted gays! A few bombs, everyone comes out of closet, unconditional surrender, democracy, live happily ever after... Sounds like American movie...
djfivyvusn 1y ago
I guess I should have said non Muslim, I knew it was around 60 though. https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Religion-Survey-2020-English.pdf https://gamaan.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/GAMAAN-Iran-Re...
- dreghgh 1y ago
  Did you read the appendix? 85% of respondents have a college degree, with the actual proportion in the population being 28%. This survey is heavily weighted towards emigres and people who know emigres.
  - ryantgtg 1y ago
    Not arguing your point. Just thought I’d share that of the emigres I know (big families that left starting in the late 60s) all are either Christian or Zoorastrian (to some degree). To them the Islamic conquest of Persia is not old news!
    - selimthegrim 1y ago
      Not even any Bahais? I know plenty of emigres from the 70s in the US (LA even) who are still culturally Shia and observant
      - ryantgtg 1y ago
        Maybe! We mostly just discuss things like, “Do you want more food? Take more food!”
  - djfivyvusn 1y ago
    So only stupid people believe in islam got it.

Tika2234 1y ago

America allies, Saudi head chop more than Iran. And there are 100K Jews in Iran and they get into parliament too. Show me that in Israel. You got confused with Saudi and Pakistan. Dont think 60% there Christian or atheist there. Westrrn media is always BS. They got so many wrongs since 2 deacdes ago, I read way less western stuff these days. Otherwise my whole world view looks like Marvel MCU and Tom Cruise with Arnie running around with guns.

reissbaker 1y ago
There many Jews in parliament in Israel! (If you mean Muslims, or Arabs, there are plenty of those in the Israeli parliament too.)
loandbehold 1y ago
Around 20% if Israeli parliament is Arab which is about the same as percentage of Israelis who are Arab.
sir0010010 1y ago
Your numbers are way off: there are between 10k and 20k Jews in Iran. There are also 5 parliament seats in Iranian parliament (out of 290 members) that are reserved for religious minorities, of which two seats are for Armenians, one for Syrians, one for Jews and one for Zoroastrians.

idiotsecant 1y ago

It's like there's an echo from every other stupid poll-raising middle east adventure we've ever gotten into. This is a stupid war being waged by idiots against idiots . Unfortunately none of those idiots calling the shots will die, it'll be a bunch of kids who just made the mistake of not being rich and powerful enough.