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You are assuming they’re rational actors, and extremist religious ideologies are by their very nature irrational.

all_factz 1y ago
Iran has shown itself a rational actor time and time again by not escalating against continued provocation by Israel and the US, knowing that to do so would be to enter a conflict it can’t win. That’s not the behavior of an irrational actor who’s willing to fight whatever the cost, even total annihilation (which would be what happened if Iran nuked the US/Israel). They may be religious fanatics, but they’re not idiots.
- margalabargala 1y ago
  Iran funded Hamas who did October 7th. That is the original escalation that kicked all this off. The region was (relatively) quiet until then.
  - all_factz 1y ago
    October 7th was a reaction to Trump’s “Abraham Accords” which benefitted Sunni countries at the expense of Iran.
    - margalabargala 1y ago
      And also a gigantic, gigantic escalation. "You made a deal that disadvantages us so we're going to rape and murder a bunch of teenagers and kidnap people."
      - all_factz 1y ago
        It’s not a justification, obviously. But it is a (partial) explanation. Israel wanted to keep sweeping the Palestinian issue under the rug, and Hamas and its sponsors were not going to allow that.
        margalabargala 1y ago
        You claimed that Iran "time and again does not escalate against provocations by the US and Israel". Sure, it's an explanation. Everything shitty Israel or Hamas has done since 1950 has an "explanation" of "that other group did something to me".
- FergusArgyll 1y ago
  Iran FM saying no to negotiations on Friday was insane https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-foreign-minister-says-no-104937990.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-foreign-minister-says-no-10...
mdni007 1y ago
Exactly, they should be rational just like our secular politicians. "As a Christian growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, ‘Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.’ And from my perspective, I’d rather be on the blessing side of things.” - Ted Cruz, a U.S. senator "There is a reason the first time I shook Netanyahu's hand, I didn't wash it until I could touch the heads of my children." - Randy Fine, a U.S. congressman And of course, there's the President of the United States who's known to be completely rational.

Iran has shown itself a rational actor time and time again by not escalating against continued provocation by Israel and the US, knowing that to do so would be to enter a conflict it can’t win. That’s not the behavior of an irrational actor who’s willing to fight whatever the cost, even total annihilation (which would be what happened if Iran nuked the US/Israel). They may be religious fanatics, but they’re not idiots.

margalabargala 1y ago
Iran funded Hamas who did October 7th. That is the original escalation that kicked all this off. The region was (relatively) quiet until then.
- all_factz 1y ago
  October 7th was a reaction to Trump’s “Abraham Accords” which benefitted Sunni countries at the expense of Iran.
  - margalabargala 1y ago
    And also a gigantic, gigantic escalation. "You made a deal that disadvantages us so we're going to rape and murder a bunch of teenagers and kidnap people."
    - all_factz 1y ago
      It’s not a justification, obviously. But it is a (partial) explanation. Israel wanted to keep sweeping the Palestinian issue under the rug, and Hamas and its sponsors were not going to allow that.
      - margalabargala 1y ago
        You claimed that Iran "time and again does not escalate against provocations by the US and Israel". Sure, it's an explanation. Everything shitty Israel or Hamas has done since 1950 has an "explanation" of "that other group did something to me".
FergusArgyll 1y ago
Iran FM saying no to negotiations on Friday was insane https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-foreign-minister-says-no-104937990.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-foreign-minister-says-no-10...

mdni007 1y ago

Exactly, they should be rational just like our secular politicians. "As a Christian growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, ‘Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.’ And from my perspective, I’d rather be on the blessing side of things.” - Ted Cruz, a U.S. senator "There is a reason the first time I shook Netanyahu's hand, I didn't wash it until I could touch the heads of my children." - Randy Fine, a U.S. congressman And of course, there's the President of the United States who's known to be completely rational.